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Yet you will vote for this Cynthia, smh

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


yep. Funny how that gets lost in all of this. The RNC had no problem shutting Newt down in 2012. Their job is to raise money and hopefully help nominate the candidate that they believe has the best chance to win.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.

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Bernie was more electable.
No he wasn't.

The guy lost the Democratic nomination by millions of votes to Hillary. Do you think Republicans were going to jump over to him more than Hillary?

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 Post subject: Re: DNC Leaks
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City of Fools wrote:
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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.

in the general election, meathead :D

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Bernie was more electable.
No he wasn't.

The guy lost the Democratic nomination by millions of votes to Hillary. Do you think Republicans were going to jump over to him more than Hillary?

He's less divisive. I can't believe I'm saying that but he is...

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 Post subject: Re: DNC Leaks
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City of Fools wrote:
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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.

in the general election, meathead :D



Hypothetical. Sanders was not really that strong of a candidate. His primary victories were mostly a result of caucus wins. Its funny how his reformation of the system never quite includes changing the very undemocratic caucus system. Its funny how he never complains about the process when it is beneficial to him. If Sanders were the Democratic nominee the chances of Trump winning would be increased.

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City of Fools wrote:
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Bernie was more electable.
No he wasn't.

The guy lost the Democratic nomination by millions of votes to Hillary. Do you think Republicans were going to jump over to him more than Hillary?

He's less divisive. I can't believe I'm saying that but he is...


Less divisive? He can't even get other politicians to endorse him for President.

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City of Fools wrote:
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Bernie was more electable.
No he wasn't.

The guy lost the Democratic nomination by millions of votes to Hillary. Do you think Republicans were going to jump over to him more than Hillary?

He's less divisive. I can't believe I'm saying that but he is...
Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.

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Nothin' like starting the week with long time guy the Hillary herb.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.


In a system that was clearly rigged for him to lose. The AP called it for Clinton before the California primary. Thousands of votes were lost in New York, and now these email leaks. You have to admit at the very least that this leak does not make the primary process look good.

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Nothin' like starting the week with long time guy the Hillary herb.



Can't be worse than Sanders crowd that just can't seem to accept that the guy lost. How can a guy that everyone agrees wasn't going to win be sabotaged? Its time to put the "hope springs eternal" mantle down for a second. He lost and the reason he lost is because " the Hills" is simply the better candidate. SHe is so terrible yet she amassed more votes than any candidate in either election in which she participated.

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Sounds like Bernie made a mistake running as a Democrat.

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I suspect Democrats would sooner let a Republican run as a Democrat because that would mean getting one over on the other team. They can't cope with someone being more committed to left-wing principles than they are.

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.


In a system that was clearly rigged for him to lose. The AP called it for Clinton before the California primary. Thousands of votes were lost in New York, and now these email leaks. You have to admit at the very least that this leak does not make the primary process look good.



He lost because he only had one constituency that would vote for him. Wasn't the media secretly pulling for Sanders? Does anyone claim that to be part of the rigging process? How many times did we hear about the "momentum" and "energy" being in the Sanders campaign? Was there any real vetting of Sanders and in his policies? What about his record? Was he ever called on some of his B.S. and quasi racist statements?

She didn't need the DNC stuff and Podesto wanted to oust DWS in the fall and Obama nixed it.

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I suspect Democrats would sooner let a Republican run as a Democrat because that would mean getting one over on the other team. They can't cope with someone being more committed to left-wing principles than they are.
I don't think that is fair. Democrats just aren't Socialists.

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Wasn't the media secretly pulling for Sanders?


OH MY GOD WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS THREAD

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.


If Hillary drops out of the race everything changes. Those polls are generic. He lost by nearly 4 million votes. It isn't any different than the Republican guys that complain about Trump. Trump destroyed the field yet he is the only guy that could possibly lose to Hilary. Sanders is nothing more than the political version of second string quarterback.

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Wasn't the media secretly pulling for Sanders?


OH MY GOD WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS THREAD


should have attached a ? and its obvious why we are having it. Berniephiles are trying to provide a convienient excuse as to why he lost. Every time the guy loses it can't be due to political subterfuge.

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.
The thing is that Bernie never really stood up to the negative campaign ads that Hillary has. I know the supporters of Bernie don't like to admit it but there was a lot of things to attack him on. Hillary didn't do it to avoid making his supporters even more mad than they were but the Republicans certainly would have.

There are many articles that state the Republicans wanted Bernie to win the nomination as he would easily have been characterized as someone the average American didn't want.

Trump isn't going to beat Hillary.

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Bernie was more electable.
No he wasn't.

The guy lost the Democratic nomination by millions of votes to Hillary. Do you think Republicans were going to jump over to him more than Hillary?

He's less divisive. I can't believe I'm saying that but he is...
Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.

her policies yes. Who she is, no. I mean, she'll get elected. But it's because she's going up against Trump.

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.
The thing is that Bernie never really stood up to the negative campaign ads that Hillary has. I know the supporters of Bernie don't like to admit it but there was a lot of things to attack him on. Hillary didn't do it to avoid making his supporters even more mad than they were but the Republicans certainly would have.

There are many articles that state the Republicans wanted Bernie to win the nomination as he would easily have been characterized as someone the average American didn't want.

Trump isn't going to beat Hillary.


Brick is spot on in his analysis. Hillary took the high road during the primary. She didn't even campaign against Sanders. I wish she would've. Its obvious they made a political calculation. They didn't want to alienate his supporters. If Sanders were a serious challenger she would have ripped him apart. I don't remember her running one negative ad against Sanders. She mostly campaigned against the Republican Party.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


if by winning elections you mean putting forth a candidate that is so disliked that would lose to anyone but Trump, I'd understand your point. But that's not the case. Bernie was more electable. Don't crap me now, no no.



The more "electable" guy lost by nearly four million votes.


In a system that was clearly rigged for him to lose. The AP called it for Clinton before the California primary. Thousands of votes were lost in New York, and now these email leaks. You have to admit at the very least that this leak does not make the primary process look good.




He lost by nearly 300,000 votes in New York. If the votes were lost then how do we that they were necessarily Sanders votes. After all they were lost. It could have been Hillary votes that were lost.

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.


Everything poll before Republicans made Bernie out to be the devil.

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Republicans are going to be much more inclined to accept Hillary than Bernie. I can't believe you truly think otherwise.


Basically every poll conducted says otherwise. This is not me espousing my opinion. Every poll conducted showed Sanders beating Trump handily as opposed to most polls that show Hillary and Trump neck-and-neck.
The thing is that Bernie never really stood up to the negative campaign ads that Hillary has. I know the supporters of Bernie don't like to admit it but there was a lot of things to attack him on. Hillary didn't do it to avoid making his supporters even more mad than they were but the Republicans certainly would have.

There are many articles that state the Republicans wanted Bernie to win the nomination as he would easily have been characterized as someone the average American didn't want.

Trump isn't going to beat Hillary.


Brick is spot on in his analysis. Hillary took the high road during the primary. She didn't even campaign against Sanders. I wish she would've. Its obvious they made a political calculation. They didn't want to alienate his supporters. If Sanders were a serious challenger she would have ripped him apart. I don't remember her running one negative ad against Sanders. She mostly campaigned against the Republican Party.


Yep! Not 1 negative ad.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


yep. Funny how that gets lost in all of this. The RNC had no problem shutting Newt down in 2012. Their job is to raise money and hopefully help nominate the candidate that they believe has the best chance to win.


Huh? The DNC is supposed to be neutral during Democratic primaries. That's why this is a story.

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The DNC is not there to promote all party candidates. It is there to win elections so that Democratic platform items can be realized.


yep. Funny how that gets lost in all of this. The RNC had no problem shutting Newt down in 2012. Their job is to raise money and hopefully help nominate the candidate that they believe has the best chance to win.


Huh? The DNC is supposed to be neutral during Democratic primaries. That's why this is a story.


Publicly they are. DWS and others weren't going to stop supporting Hillary because some new guy joined the party.

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