As a non Cub fan and a person who never follows the minor leagues, I should not have known the name Gleybar Torres...but yet I do. I'm sure it was simply based on the sober and well reasoned analysis of Cub fans.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

Are you denying that Torres was part of the next "wave of talent"? I never heard any of you Cub fans compare him to Ty Griffin until today.

I don't think this is a bad trade, but don't tell me Cubs fans- yeah, all of you- don't strut around this fucking board crowing about the Cubs' RICH FARM SYSTEM. Who you crappin'?

He is a guy many think can be the best SS of them all in a couple years. Figuring out where he will play/who to trade, will become crucial decisions for Hoyer and Epstein. Nice problem to have in some ways, but make the wrong decisions and it will haunt them.

Saw this kid play this summer in south bend. He made a couple spectacular plays at SS. You could just tell he was the best player on the field for either team.

gotta love it

Signed for $1.7 million out of Venezuela as part of the Cubs' $8.2 million international signing spree in 2013, Torres was even better than advertised in his first year as a pro. He had no trouble making his U.S. debut at age 17 and easily handled a jump to the short-season Northwest League in August.

An extremely advanced hitter for his age, Torres has a quick, short right-handed stroke and handles the bat well. He uses the entire field and has good knowledge of the strike zone. He's not physically imposing but has some strength that could produce close to average power once he learns to turn on pitches more often.

Because he has just average speed and quickness, Torres may wind up at second base in the long run. But he looked better at shortstop than expected and his instincts may allow him to stay there. His strong arm will allow him to play anywhere in the infield.

Torres could be the next Ty Griffin for all we know.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

So you're not going to even attempt to back your assertion then?

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I know Joe did but that thing speaks for itself...like I said, I, a person relatively ignorant of minor league baseball, know his name

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

When the Cubs front office decided to move Torres, and McKinny, or any other player what they become is a non-issue.

It's what you get back for them at that point. Whether he's Ty Griffin or Ryne Sandberg in the future, he's an asset right now, and you've got to maximize your return on an asset.

The Royals had a whole bunch of assets last year and they turned them into Johnny Cueto and Ben Zobrist.

Did the Cubs maximize the return on their assets as it stands now? I dunno, 30-40 innings of Chapman over the next 60 games and X number of playoff games, he better make them count.

Because you read the Cubs section here religiously.

and, what information has that reading provided me?

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

My ultimate feeling as well.

The opportunity cost of trading Gleyber is what bugs me. If he was deemed expendable then I'd rather have used him in a package for a young starter. The Cubs rotation the past two years has had ridiculously great luck with over-30 starters making 4/5th of the rotation.

The fact that you know his name. And then you will add the rest as needed.

:lol: oh JORR, you are a piece of work man.

He was the best player on the field that night, but that in no way said I thought he was going to be a hall of famer or the next big thing.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Yeah, I mean this is an honest question for the Sox guys in this thread.

How close is Torres and McKinny + something else (Soler?) for Quintana?

Granted the Sox are under no compulsion to move Quintana but if Sale goes, you'd think Quintana goes quickly after that.

Go ahead and find all these unrealistic adjectives that were used to describe him, dolphin

I would hope it would be a quick no.

Shelby Miller level return is the starting point.

Go ahead and find all these unrealistic adjectives that were used to describe him, dolphin

research projects get handed to associates.

Have a go at it.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

From Baseball Prospectus (I'm sure this will be adjusted now that he is no longer a Cub):

Gleyber Torres, MI, Chicago Cubs Why He'll Succeed: There’s no real weakness to Torres’ game. Everything but the power flashes above-average to plus, and his instincts both at the plate and in the field are impressive for any age, much less a 19-year-old.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Uhhh, well then I think you should have fun watching Quintana for the duration of the contract.

Just because the Diamondbacks are dumb, doesn't mean that sets the market.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

If there's no extension with Chapman, then he will have tremendous leverage over the Cubs in free agent negotiations. I wouldn't do this deal. I don't like the optics of a guy with personal life issues in the recent past. I don't like the lack of team control. Not for this price.

You're getting a one inning pitcher, so the chance that he is the difference in winning the World Series seems low.

If I trade Quintana, I will spend the next five years looking for a Quintana (I'll spend a lifetime looking for a Sale). A young, established, cheap, workhorse pitcher is as unique of an item on the trading block as there is in baseball. If I don't trade him today, someone will make me another offer in the off season and then another at the next trading deadline for the next several seasons.

This McKinney guy has ~ 600 ABs in AA and his numbers are nothing to get excited about ... in fact they've been trending down it would seem.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I'm actually trying to think over the past 5 years what starter under the age of 28 under a good contract got moved and what the price was.

Any help would be appreciated.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.