They gave up a top 30 prospect and a top 75ish prospect. It's pretty good for a guy that will throw 40 innings and be gone.

The Red Sox gave up one to top 30 prospect and they got back a guy under team control for the next 3 years or something.

Nas and One Post. Stop.

Shouldn't even be separate sections

One MLB section to rule them all!

It was a nice haul for the Yankees but it wasn't some mind blowing amount of talent that I would term a king's ransom. Were you shocked by this trade?

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Not until they add or drop the DH!

Decent move. Could come back to bite the team in long run but ya do what you gotta do


I didn't really care that Donaldson became an MVP 6 years after being traded for Harden

Maybe Torres will have a quicker rise but he's probably a 2018 guy

I wanted to sign Chapman. I'm usually against paying for closers but I'd roll dice on him

Shocked? No, based on the rumors, not shocked.

Do I think the Cubs could have taken the base pieces in the deal Torres, and McKinney and paired them with something else that could have fetched a player to help for this year and beyond? Yes.

To rent an unproven (in the postseason) relief pitcher for a few months it is. A loaded farm system just lost their best prospect and a top 5 to top 10 prospect for a guy that's never been successful in the playoffs. You trade your best prospects for starters.

The Yankees have gotten a lot of good players from the Cubs this year and all they have to show for it is Chapman for 3 months.

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I dig the trade recognizing the high price for it. At this point I trust Hoyerstein to make the right choice in trades like this. They know the value of Torres/McKinney to every team in baseball. There wasn't a next best alternative of a cost controlled starter out there for that pair. And if that trade is out there, the player is going to be in single A. He wouldn't be an impact player for this post season.

Of course they could have. They could have gotten a young starter for not much more. He what they've given the Yankees could have gotten them a Quintana or very close to it.

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The flip side of this is that since he's on the Cubs the Cubs don't have to face him in the playoffs.

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True. He hasn't proven that he can lights out in the playoffs though.

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I doubt that is true. If the Sox open offers for Quintana to the league everyone from contenders to teams hoping to be good next year are bidders.

No one is saying they didn't give up talent. It just wasn't a shocking amount of talent.

You think they should have given up nothing of value. This isn't your fantasy football league

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How do you compare Quintana to Shark? Shark netted a top 6 prospect. I don't see Torres + a little more netting Quintana. Even if you add in Jiminez whom is now their top prospect, I don't take that if I'm the sox. Short of bringing major league pieces, the Cubs don't have the bullets for a cost controlled starter.

We'll see what happens what Quintana is traded. The Cubs essentially traded Castro, Torres and McKinney for 3 months of Chapman. I imagine a Soler thrown in or another player could get you Quintana.

No one said give up nothing. I would just pass if I had to give up this much to rent an unproven guy. Especially considering that I could have gotten him for 70% less in the winter.

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Nobody wants Jorge Soler. That's like me pretending Avisail Garcia has any sort of value.

Nobody is a large pool of shit. Like your posts. Soler could be traded right now for a viable MLB player. Cubs will wait for the right deal and he will be gone also if the right deal is in place.

I think you overvalue Solar. He alone gets nothing.

I'm a big proponent of Solar energy.

Soler however, can't see getting much in return for a guy who up to this point, has shown he has no legs.

Isn't Chapman a Boras product ? Don't see the Cubs being anything other than stalking-horse bidders for Chapman before he signs with Yanks/Detroit/Red Sox/Dodgers/other Boras level payroll team here.

Well you're wrong on this point. They have the bullets, it is a question if they want to spend them.

Trust me, Schwarber, Torres, McKinney, Soler, Contreras and Happ constitute enough ammo to get every pitcher on the market except maybe one.

I consider soler, contreras, and schwarber major league pieces now. My package is happ, Torres and eloy. I don't think much of McKinney in AA.

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Fair enough, although if that is the interpretation there are probably only one (Braves) or three teams (Phillies)/(Indians) has the minor league ammo to get a Quintana

I dont even know what to make of this.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07/26/ ... leepy/amp/

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Yeah,I don't think anyone will argue he is something "different" but as long as he strikes out the world,nothing else matters,right Cub fans?!?

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I do. It means Cubs leadership is merely paying lip service to Chapman being "vetted" and how they give a rat's ass about him being an upstanding citizen. They feel forced to do this because of morons like Julie DiCaro.

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Maybe.

But why would Cubs brass make up a story about having a conversation with him?

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To make it look like they are invested in his being a good citizen.

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Baseball people say he is a good teammate so that's good enough for me. That and 105 MPH and not having to face him in the post season.

Doubt he resigns though.

As to the prospects - who cares. It's been 108 fucking years.

Get it done this year.

At least make it to the WS.