Don't mistake hate for Hillary as support for Trump. He is a douchebag. But the lesser of 2 douchebags. I will either vote for Trump or for Johnson. I would vote for you over Hillary.

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I hate Hillary, but I have nobidea how anyone could pull the lever for Trump in good conscience.

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I don't either. I can't understand how anyone could truly believe Trump was better than anyone except Cruz and I am starting to reconsider that position. People have every reason in the world to hate Hillary but to consider Trump lesser of 2 evils is mind-boggling. I'm confident he doesn't give a crap about this country or anyone except himself.

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GO BEARS!!!

I understand. 2 awful choices. But what else can you do? Not vote, but I don't consider that a good choice. Johnson has no shot. Do you give a vote to him just to help build viability for 3rd party? Perhaps.

In the end, I am not sure it really matters. We are screwed either way.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I am confident of the same thing about Hillary.

Honestly, the one who I think cares the most is Sanders.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I've changed on that, Nas. I now believe Trump is worse than Cruz, and him as commander-in-chief is truly frightening (and not in a funny way anymore).

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Doesn't this election cycle make that seem more important than ever before?

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I disagree that they are equally bad. To me, Hillary is an evil liar, but she's an evil liar with a brain. Trump is legit fucking nuts. If he gets elected, I'm not worried about the economy or tax rates. I'm worried about a global conflict or all-out war. There is nothing he would do that would shock me.

But, yes, somewhat because I live in Illinois, I'll be voting third party.

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I don't think he is completely nuts. I think he is smarter than many give him credit for. I really think he will allow the people he places around him to carry the load. I think that is why he reportedly offered so much to Kasich to be his VP. I think he is smart enough to know what he can work on, and what he needs to trust to people around him.

FF, you make a good point about the viability need for 3rd party. If I lived in Illinois I would probably vote for Johnson for that very reason. But living in a state that is not so cut and dry makes that choice a lot harder.

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Voting third party is a waste of a vote. The last time a third party candidate received any electoral votes was Wallace (46) in '68. If by some miracle, a third party candidate gets enough electoral votes to prevent anybody from reaching 270, the House picks the next president. And, they won't be picking Gary Johnson, Bernie Sanders, or Jill Stein.

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I disagree. I think voting for someone you clearly don't believe in because they are "the lesser of two evils" is a wasted vote.

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Every candidate is flawed in one way or another. Some have MANY more flaws than others. Sometimes, they have orange faces, and fantasize about fucking their own daughter.

How much do you have to believe in a candidate? Do you have to buy in to 100% of their agenda? 80%? 60%? Where is that line drawn? You can recognize flaws in a candidate, and still think that he/she is qualified for the job.

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Every candidate is flawed, but no two candidates have been as flawed as these two in recent memory. The historically high disapproval rates for both seem to support that.

I don't have a percentage. Vote your conscience. I'm going to vote mine, and that's Gary Johnson. It bothers me that you believe voting for somebody you believe will make the country better is a wasted vote. That type of shit is why people hate partisan politics. I will be voting FOR somebody this November. Most people I know can't say the same. They are using their vote to vote AGAINST somebody. That is a wasted vote.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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I think he wanted Kasich so he can win Ohio. After winning he would go back on his word. He doesn't listen to anyone. His staff have tried to help him and he refuses to listen. That wouldn't change. Vote for Johnson.

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I knew your Hillary support was just trolling. Scorehead and I welcome you to the movement. #FeeltheJohnson

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If the Sanders/Warren (and whoever else) crowd would quit bitching and started working towards creating a third-party candidate now for the next election, maybe they'd have at least a decent chance for national exposure to the point where at least you might be able to say a third-party candidate's running is viable without being laughed off of the streets ... maybe even begin putting plans into place to get 3rd-party candidates elected into legislative office, federal and state level ... run a few governors ... make it seem normal and it will seem normal.

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None of those posts were directed at you. Unlike most who claim to be Libertarian, you actually walk the walk. Three months ago, did Scorehead even know who Gary Johnson was, or for what he stood? I doubt it. There isn't a doubt in my mind that he has voted for nobody but those with R's next to their name, for the last thirty years.

It was more to those who are supporting Drumpf, or the un-named third party candidate above replacement politician. I don't know how, at this point in the election cycle, one can still be undecided. What else do you need to see, before you know who you want to elect? Just stay home on November 8th. But, I digress. I have yet to see a case made for Drumpf. Those who always defend him, but make sure to tell us that they aren't supporting him, just rip Hillary. She's evil. She's a bitch from hell. She lies. It's just stupid. Any of these silly insults can just as easily be hurled at Drumpf, only he is also a clueless, xenophobic, thin-skinned, racist, puppet of Putin, among MANY other things. I get it that people are sick of her, as she has been on this stage for 25 years. But, there is one candidate who is qualified for this job, and one who rage tweets at three in the morning. A Romney presidency didn't scare me. A Drumpf presidency does. Is there anybody that wants him to pick one, two, maybe three SC justices?

I hear what you are saying about voting against somebody. To me, this isn't just a vote between Hillary and Donald. This is a vote for which party's policies do you want to see for the next four years (Not you, the royal you. I know you hate them both). The Republican party has veered so far to the right, with the jingoist, anti-Science, anti-gay, obstructionist agenda that started with the "Contract with America" Republicans in the 90's, and moved on to the teabaggers in the oughts. Thanks, Newt. Drumpf didn't take over the Republican party, he embodies it. He is the result of the party's hard right turn. This is what they wanted, and they got it. They have to own it.

I am voting with my conscience. My conscience tells me that I don't want any part of Drumpf with his finger on the button.

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I'm definitely voting for Hillary. #ImWithThem

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#ImWithTheJohnson

My bad, we are still working on slogans. Still new to this thing.

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I get what you're saying. In this prarticular election, I completely understand an anti-Trump vote more so than an anti-Hillary vote. Trump is dangerous to our democracy in a fundamental way that Hillary is objectively not.

But regardless, I'm always going to contest someone saying a third party is wasted vote. We need more options, not less. I fucking hate the "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" logic. I'll take a Scorehead vote for Gary Johnson the same way I'm sure you would welcome someone voting for Hillary because their mom's name is Hillary. Of course you would like them to vote for reasons that actually make sense to how they view politics, but a vote is a vote nonetheless.

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Are we really going down the path that it is wrong not to vote for Hillary? I'm not voting trump but I'm really conflicted as to whether I can cast a vote for her either. I say we try and get a third party candidate that's not an antivaxxer loon to 5 percent.

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I agree with some of the things you said there, but this is simply wrong. Trump isn't really right wing at all. That's why Cruz did what he did. You can say what you want about Ted Cruz, and personally, I think he's goofier than Trump, but he stood on his principles. That's something Bernie Sanders wouldn't do.

Trump is the result of the same thing as Bernie Sanders, though clearly they are very different people/candidates.

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I honestly have no clue who I'm voting for. I could never vote for Hillary. She's too full of shit. The only reason I'd vote Trump is because he stated he'd keep the industry I work in going strong. He's completely full of shit as well tho. Anyone should be able to tell by his condescending half ass political rallies he doesn't mean or believe in half the shit he says. If elected, I halfway expect him to go back on most of what he's said during the campaign. He'd lose the angry racists he's so masterfully leveraged to vote for him, but he'd be President.

I want nothing more than a 3rd party in this country. Maybe this is the year I vote that way. This election cycle has been very conflicting, but for objective folks like myself I'm glad to see it. It's good to reevaluate your political stances, and dive deeper into your reasoning. No one should just blindly vote for either party because they consider themselves republican or democrat. I've always thought that to be a baby boomer mentality.

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I don't think Trump is very smart at all. I'm actually surprised by that as I went into the election believing he was. His name calling, lack of understanding of pretty much any political issue, inability to articulate an actual position and seeming lack of curiousity to learn about these issues is both concerning and dumbfounding. As for the people he would put in place...his campaign has been a disaster. Between inexperienced managers to his relying on his kids for advise (although they seem to have a better grasp on reality) he has not shown me that he can be saved from his own bombast.

Look, I understand some of the hatred and much of the distrust for Hillary. But purely in terms of qualifications to be president Trump is worse. I truly don't see how anyone can feel otherwise.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

We are aware of why election voting is secret ballot, Seacrest.

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Yes, this narrative that Trump is a political genius who doesn't believe what he says is nonsense. He doesn't even know what he believes so he just says random shit. How is that not obvious? Trump is a loud-mouth who had good timing. Nothing more.

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Is it? The party has gone so far to the right, that they got behind a guy who tapped into their bigotry and fear. He isn't afraid to say what they are thinking. Like Leash said, the timing was right, as pretty much every other opponent in his primary, was a complete joke. This is what they wanted, and they got it. Drumpf telling the parents of that fallen soldier that he has made plenty of sacrifices too, is just despicable. But, there was very little backlash, if any, from the right. If Hillary or Barry said that, their heads would explode.



That speech he gave on Thursday was about an agenda as far to the right as I have ever seen. Now, does he really believe all of that? Doubtful. If he doesn't, then there is yet another reason why it's insane to vote for him. I don't even think he really wants the job. The RNC propped up Omarossa as some sort of foreign policy expert. Drumpf says he gets his foreing policy experience from watching TV and reading stuff on the internet. It's insane.




Yes. He is definitely positioning himself for another run in 2020.

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