Karko was 82

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

IMU = Wrong

FF, America, myself = Right


And that is the end of it.

If Jerry would of gotten rid of Krause, you might have that 9.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1h1 hour ago
The Boston #RedSox had late-night talks with the #WhiteSox about Chris Sale. If Sale is moved, #RedSox and #Dodgers are likely destinations.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 39m39 minutes ago Jersey City, NJ
heard chisox and red sox recently talked on sale. scuttlebutt is CWS seek at least 4 guys from BOS, including 3 of best.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago
Asked a source how strongly I should pursue possibility of #RedSox acquiring #WhiteSox’s Sale. His response: “Don’t waste your time.”

Krause had very little to do with Jordan leaving. He gets a lot of blame because he was an easy target, but Krause brought those 90s Bulls teams together.

Reinsdorf kept both teams in town, built two new stadiums and won titles. Tough to call him a "bad" owner.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Jerry has owned teams for a total of 65 years. He has 7 titles in that time period. There are not many owners with a better record than that.
Jerry Buss is. Peter Holt is not because we can't count his record with the "greatest PF of all time" either. I'd love to hear your rationale for Cuban though. I love Shark Tank too but there is no argument that Mark Cuban has been better as a whole than Reinsdorf. Cuban is right now but that isn't what we are talking about.
Championships don't mean everything. They just mean a lot. As Peeps pointed out though, if you want to ignore championships Jerry's teams have been very competitive up until the past few years. The Sox won a ton of games and the Bulls had a down period after Jordan but they were a high seed for a long time and a playoff team pretty much every year. So Jerry can compete well both with number of championships won, and your metric which seems to be years of competitiveness.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

The Jordan titles count in the sense that yes, of course they exist. But only a fool would attribute them Reinsdorf's ownership.

He's just in a 9 year slump of being a bad owner? Or he forgot how to be a good one?

No, Reinsdorf is a terrible owner who lucked into getting Michael Jordan, and lucked into getting him at a time when superstar athletes didn't usually leave their teams.

Tim Duncan wasn't very good when the Spurs won their last title. The Spurs have become one of the model franchises in all of sports. The Bulls are a fucking joke right now. You can't compare the two.

Reinsdorf didn't just learn how to be a great owner for a decade and then suddenly forget the last 16 years.

:lol:

Athletes literally physically break down. There's no reason an owner should ever stop being a good owner short of dementia, which I don't think Jerry can claim just yet.

Also, he wasn't a good owner in the 80's. There's nothing really to suggest he was with either team. Hiring Hawk to run your baseball team and not giving Jordan anything for the whole decade.

Either way, you admit he's been a bad owner for a decade, and you have been possibly his biggest defender on this board. I think I'm fine with saying the two teams I root for will be better off when he's gone.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 8m8 minutes ago
The White Sox want Yasiel Puig if they make a deal with the Dodgers.

I'd be fine with either one, providing they were motivated and wanted the job, especially Phil Jackson.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

I'm a Cubs fan this second this trade goes through with that guy attached. Holy shit they really would fuck up and ask for Yasiel Puig, wouldn't they?

Of course, it's a game of time and repetition. And Sale may not have the career Buehrle did, but his peak is already so much higher I have no problem calling Sale the best Sox starter in my lifetime.

This registered sex offender I regularly converse with on the internet just said something really stupid

Everyone knows that Javy Vazquez is better than any Sox pitcher that has ever existed.

Javy's career fWAR would be 3rd all-time on the White Sox.

We need a "This is a dumb SABRmetrics stat" thread.

A thread for dumb people to understand SABRmetrics? Isn't that the obligatory Jose Quintana thread that gets started every week?

I think the dumb guy would be the one who uses fWAR to suggest that Javier Vazquez has been the third most valuable Sox pitcher of all-time.

Good thing nobody suggested that. I would further surmise the dumbest guy would be the one who reads "Javy's career fWAR would be 3rd all-time on the White Sox" and restates it as "Javier Vazquez has been the third most valuable Sox pitcher of all-time" but that's just me. My God you suck.

Good thing nobody suggested that. I would further surmise the dumbest guy would be the one who reads "Javy's career fWAR would be 3rd all-time on the White Sox" and restates it as "Javier Vazquez has been the third most valuable Sox pitcher of all-time" but that's just me. My God you suck.

Then what's the point of saying it?

That in the fictional world where Vazquez spends his entire career with the White Sox, he would be (or at least should be) considered one of the best pitchers in White Sox history, because his career was pretty damn good, all told. (That, or the bar for "greatest White Sox pitcher of all time might be rather low)