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Sale has only won more than 14 games once in his career and obviously we haven't seen him in big games. You can say he has more talent but I don't think he's better.

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In addition to not understand things like FIP-, do you...not understand what "fictional" means?

Nightengale just stuck a fork in any hope of trading Q or Sale. The Sox found themselves in the wildest market for pitchers in recent memory, with two of the best pieces to have in such a market, and couldn't execute.

I think I'm done with the Kenny Williams-led White Sox if they fail to make the kind of moves they need to make. I just can't keep doing this every year with them.

I have heard many experts say that the Sox would do better to unload Sale and/or Quintana in the off season when all teams could bid not just a few in the race.

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Quintana sure, but Sale is at peak value right now. League perception has not caught up with the reality that Chris Sale isn't a top 5 pitcher in the game.

Are we talking about Javier Vazquez or a fictional pitcher? Because I have no interest in discussing imaginary baseball players with you.

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The teams that could be "in" for Sale right now are the teams with the deepest farm systems from which to pull trade chips, and they are all bidding against each other in their respective playoff pushes. The Phillies, Braves, and Rockies aren't going to magically drive up the price for Sale in the off-season. This was a perfect storm of sorts, with the teams that have deep systems being in the playoff hunt in separate divisions, and every deep team in each race desperately needing starting pitching. Instead of capitalizing on that confluence of seller-friendly circumstance, the Real. Smart. GM. With. Two. Degrees. has bought the bullshit of "team-friendly contract". Fuck him, and fuck this organization, go Cubs. I'll be back when Jerry is in a coffin.

If you don't gut a system for Sale, why bother trading him? He's still under a team-friendly deal and can be dealt later.

Don't make a move just to make a move.

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Right now he's a 27-year old pitcher with a herky-jerky motion and 2.5 years remaining of an incredibly team-friendly contract. Why in the name of hell would another team "gut the system" for a 28-year old pitcher with a herky-jerky motion and 2 years remaining of an incredibly team-friendly contract, and NOT the former? If a team isn't going to sell the farm for him now, younger and with more team-friendly time on the deal, what indication at all is there that they'd pay more for him sometime after this season, older and with less team-friendly time. Nobody can explain this, but everybody seems to think it just because. It's ludicrous and inane logic.

It's not complicated. Chris Sale is one of the best pitchers in baseball on one of the friendliest deals in modern history and he's in his prime. If another team doesn't want to gut their farm system, the White Sox should rightfully tell them to fuck off.

Also, the argument Bernstein was just making - that they should trade him because they can't put a winning team around him - doesn't make any sense. If you can't build a winner around Chris Sale I sure as hell shouldn't have confidence in you to build a winner without him.

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Julie's Juice, you're making a real impact around here. I still don't quite recall when you popped up on this site, but you'll not soon be forgotten.

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Sale isn't one of the best pitchers in baseball anymore.

Completely agree. If you can't build a winner around 2 pitchers with team friendly contracts what would you do without them?

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I suppose five or six high level prospects might help, but you're point is well taken. The team needs new leadership.

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It is a bit of a conundrum. Get a team's prospects and get better then have to go get two pitchers like Sale and Quintana. As far as the off season thought I think they think you will have more choice as to which prospects you can get rather than just 2-3 teams prospects.

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Of course he is. Don't be silly.

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The only guy the Sox will get from this sell off is a guy who went to the same HS as Rick Hahn. I'm so fucking done with the Sox.

There is no way that any Tribesman sells off the cheap contracts of Sale and Q.

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Looks like Sox stand pat except for Duke.

Good. Not panic trading Sale/Quintana is probably their first good move of the season.

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Agreed.

No need to make a move just for the sake of making a move.

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Will have more buyers in the off season anyway. Too bad they could not move Robertson or Melky.

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I agree that its good thing to stand pat rather than "make a move just to make a move"

That said you look at what the Yankees did and how they reloaded very quickly. The Sox could have and should have made some moves.

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Agreed.

In a sellers market, Sox did absolutely nothing to improve.

The same old same old.

JB SCHUCK TO CHARLOTTE!

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Do those of you wanting Sale traded realize his value? He's one of the top handful of pitchers in baseball, he's young, and he has a team-friendly contract. If I were the Sox, I wouldn't trade him unless you got an entire core of players, including young starting pitching. More than likely, there is little anyone could offer that would make me trade him.

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They wouldn't be making a move just to make a move. This team is really lacking players in every facet of the game except for two starting pitchers. The offense sucks. The bullpen sucks. The fielding is mediocre. They need to seriously address major areas of failure and they did nothing.
Unless the plan is to start getting draft picks, and even that doesn't make sense cause they have just enough talent to play slightly sub 500 ball.... which does nothing for your draft positioning.
Either tank and trade all higher level talent or go for some pieces to take you over the top but standing pat was the worst possible outcome of this deadline.

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I'd back up the truck and trade everyone but Anderson and get a shitload of top quality prospects.

Why the fuck not?

.500 every year is a joke.

A painful 3-5 year rebuild is also a joke.

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