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I encourage you to read the Koran. So many people do not yet talk about a religion as if they know it.


Don't you have to know Arabic?

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Oh, I know there are translations, but one of the arguments you often hear is that you can't really understand unless you read the original Arabic. I guess God is an Arab, huh?

Yeah, that's interesting--it shows how much religion is intertwined with language. I guess every great religion has its own sacred language, even if they give it up after a millennium or two.

I've had people (two people) give me copies of the Koran and say, "Well, this isn't really the Koran; it's a translation, so...." And they're right that you do lose something in translation, but they think you lose something mystical (i.e., something for which evidence cannot be supplied), whereas what you really lose is context. I don't read Hebrew, but I have taken Hebrew Bible classes with scholars and it was a lot of fun to have them fill in what we're missing. It's cool to have a sacred language, but foolish to think that anyone with access to life outside earth actually speaks or gives a shit about that language. I think there's also a geographical or racial element to sacred languages, which makes this Arabic typical when placed alongside other such languages (since language is so closely tied to identity). It's no better than Hebrew, Koine Greek, Latin, Tamil, Sanskrit, or Brooklyneese.

Having said that, the English KJV of the Bible is one of the few works of translation to be considered a classic.

I tried to read the Koran, but it's not really narrative-based, so it is hard to get into it. I didn't know what the hell was going on. The Hebrew Bible, on the other hand, is a marvelous collection of almost every literary genre, plot, character, theme, etc. So much more narrative.


Yeah, once the material is widely available so that anyone can read it themselves, the clerics lose a lot of their power.

But it's obvious how absurd such thought is. If God really wanted everyone to know and believe why would he disseminate the material in a form not everyone can understand? And why would he have an angel dictate the stuff to an illiterate?

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I encourage you to read the Koran. So many people do not yet talk about a religion as if they know it.

I tried, and that's hard to get into since it is written in such a different style than either part of the Bible.

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You both hate people you know nothing about.

I'm done going in circles with you fuckers.


I don't hate anyone. But when someone worships a book that says I'm an infidel, I know enough to consider them potentially dangerous.

I know enough to consider everyone potentially dangerous.

Labeling all Muslims as sharing the same world view is exactly what ISIS wants. You and seacrest are playing right into their game.


No. Seacrest and I have no control over the crazy thoughts of people that read and believe the Koran. I'm not labeling anyone. There are approximately 200 million Muslims that share that world view. They label themselves.

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I encourage you to read the Koran. So many people do not yet talk about a religion as if they know it.


Don't you have to know Arabic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXmikvwYlk


https://play.google.com/store/books/det ... &gclsrc=ds



Oh, I know there are translations, but one of the arguments you often hear is that you can't really understand unless you read the original Arabic. I guess God is an Arab, huh?

Yeah, that's interesting--it shows how much religion is intertwined with language. I guess every great religion has its own sacred language, even if they give it up after a millennium or two.

I've had people (two people) give me copies of the Koran and say, "Well, this isn't really the Koran; it's a translation, so...." And they're right that you do lose something in translation, but they think you lose something mystical (i.e., something for which evidence cannot be supplied), whereas what you really lose is context. I don't read Hebrew, but I have taken Hebrew Bible classes with scholars and it was a lot of fun to have them fill in what we're missing. It's cool to have a sacred language, but foolish to think that anyone with access to life outside earth actually speaks or gives a shit about that language. I think there's also a geographical or racial element to sacred languages, which makes this Arabic typical when placed alongside other such languages (since language is so closely tied to identity). It's no better than Hebrew, Koine Greek, Latin, Tamil, Sanskrit, or Brooklyneese.

Having said that, the English KJV of the Bible is one of the few works of translation to be considered a classic.

I tried to read the Koran, but it's not really narrative-based, so it is hard to get into it. I didn't know what the hell was going on. The Hebrew Bible, on the other hand, is a marvelous collection of almost every literary genre, plot, character, theme, etc. So much more narrative.


Yeah, once the material is widely available so that anyone can read it themselves, the clerics lose a lot of their power.

But it's obvious how absurd such thought is. If God really wanted everyone to know and believe why would he disseminate the material in a form not everyone can understand? And why would he have an angel dictate the stuff to an illiterate?

Yep.

The thing is, the Koran was written by people, just as the Bible was. If people can't look at it that way, they are irrational. You can still believe in God and realize that holy books were written by humans....with their own interests.....still great stuff in there, as well as stuff that isn't.....conducive to mental and social peace.

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You both hate people you know nothing about.

I'm done going in circles with you fuckers.


I don't hate anyone. And it's offensive to me accuse of doing so.

It's obvious you know little or nothing about Islam or its beginnings. And yet your lack of knowledge on the subject didn't deter you from repeating what you have heard from others, while accusing us of behavior you just exhibited.

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You both hate people you know nothing about.

I'm done going in circles with you fuckers.


I don't hate anyone. But when someone worships a book that says I'm an infidel, I know enough to consider them potentially dangerous.

I know enough to consider everyone potentially dangerous.

Labeling all Muslims as sharing the same world view is exactly what ISIS wants. You and seacrest are playing right into their game.


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I have no doubt there are thousands of Muslims that are people of goodwill.


Your turn FF.

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Out of nearly 2 billion Muslims ONLY thousands are people of goodwill?

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You both hate people you know nothing about.

I'm done going in circles with you fuckers.


I don't hate anyone. But when someone worships a book that says I'm an infidel, I know enough to consider them potentially dangerous.

I know enough to consider everyone potentially dangerous.

Labeling all Muslims as sharing the same world view is exactly what ISIS wants. You and seacrest are playing right into their game.


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I have no doubt there are thousands of Muslims that are people of goodwill.


Your turn FF.

Or do you need to see my chiropractor first?

Sure, I was wrong.

Labeling Islam as incompatible with the West is exactly what ISIS wants. It's why they kill 100 Muslims for every Westerner they manage to kill.

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Out of nearly 2 billion Muslims ONLY thousands are people of goodwill?



I'll go with millions. Or do I still hate Muslims because i disagree with them?

Do tell, please.

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Out of nearly 2 billion Muslims ONLY thousands are people of goodwill?



I'll go with millions. Or do I still hate Muslims because i disagree with them?

Do tell, please.


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It appears Christie is a Muslim wife :wink:

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It appears Christie is a Muslim wife :wink:


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I'm done going in circles with you fuckers.


I don't hate anyone.


You hate Robin Ventura when he bunts.

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Looking like the Papa Khan has connections to Clinton and the Clinton Foundation via dealings through his law firm and representation of Saudi Arabia.

Looking like The Khan's weren't just some random family off the Gold Star Street looking to attack Trump....

This all seems, uh, very, ummm, coordinated by the Clinton campaign and their propaganda arms....maybe Reuters will change their polling methodology again to give Clinton a 340 point boost!


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Looking like the Papa Khan has connections to Clinton and the Clinton Foundation via dealings through his law firm and representation of Saudi Arabia.

Looking like The Khan's weren't just some random family off the Gold Star Street looking to attack Trump....

This all seems, uh, very, ummm, coordinated by the Clinton campaign and their propaganda arms....maybe Reuters will change their polling methodology again to give Clinton a 340 point boost!


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19T in debt, high school grads that can't read, plenty of gun violence, fraying social fabric....

And all we can talk about is Khan. I feeling like watching Star Trek. That scene where he plants those creatures in their ears...good stuff.

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Paul Ryan went out of his way to avoid saying anything about Donald Trump in his statement on Khizr Khan:

Here's Paul Ryan's statement praising Capt. Khan and throwing shade on a Muslim ban. No mention of Trump. pic.twitter.com/4QjgsWbhrz

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) July 31, 2016


Remember, Khan specifically called on Ryan to denounce Trump.

Well, Ryan’s attempt to avoid criticizing Trump did not go unnoticed, for tonight, Trump took to Twitter to… praise his primary opponent?

Thanks to @pnehlen for your kind words, very much appreciated.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 1, 2016


And by the way, if you’re wondering what Nehlen may have said about Trump, well, take a look at this:

“With one vote we can take back our nation from Paul Ryan’s special interests,” he said. “With our one vote we can stop TPP and stop Amnesty. It is vitally important that we do this, because with President Trump in place, Paul Ryan will be nothing but a problem. He will thwart President Trump at every opportunity.”

And Nehlen made sure to acknowledge Trump’s praise:

@realDonaldTrump my pleasure, Sir. Just want to Make America Great Again.

— Paul Nehlen (@pnehlen) August 1, 2016


Ryan’s primary election is a week from tomorrow.


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19T in debt, high school grads that can't read, plenty of gun violence, fraying social fabric....

And all we can talk about is Khan. I feeling like watching Star Trek. That scene where he plants those creatures in their ears...good stuff.



Coordinated effort by the Left and their propaganda arms. The actual repetition of select verbiage and narrative formation is astounding. More blatant than usual. They are scared.


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Mr Khan has Trump on the run. He won't stand a chance against Hillary. I doubt he shows up for a debate.

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It appears Christie is a Muslim wife :wink:


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How's that? What the fuck did Trump have to do with his son's death? He would have been more accurate to rebuke the Clintons who have also made no sacrifices and have actually helped shape U.S. policy.

FWIW I think this was a far better angle than the rubbish about grappling with the true nature of Islam or Islamic countries or Islamic terrorism or whatever it is that's been the topic of the last few pages. It's a bit rich for supporters of Hillary and her neocon pals to be rebuking Trump for being too warmongering; maybe if he dressed his rhetoric up in the language of stability or democracy instead of security and brute national interest he too could kill whoever he wanted whenever he wanted.


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Our future president talks about Russia this past Sunday...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let's talk about Russia. You made a lot of headlines with Russia this week.

What exactly is your relationship with Vladimir Putin?

TRUMP: I have no relationship to -- with him. I have no relationship with him.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But if you have no relationship with Putin, then why did you say in 2013, I do have a relationship. In 2014, I spoke...

TRUMP: Because he has said nice things about me over the years. I remember years ago, he said something -- many years ago, he said something very nice about me. I said something good about him when Larry King was on. This was a long time ago. And I said he is a tough cookie or something to that effect.

He said something nice about me. This has been going on. We did "60 Minutes" together. By the way, not together-together, meaning he was probably shot in Moscow...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he was in Moscow...

TRUMP: -- and I was shot in New York.

STEPHANOPOULOS: -- you were in New York. But that's the thing.

TRUMP: No, just so you understand, he said very nice things about me, but I have no relationship with him. I don't -- I've never met him.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Yet you said for three years, '13, '14 and '15, that you did have a relationship with him.

TRUMP: No, look, what -- what do you call a relationship?

I mean he treats me...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm asking you.

TRUMP: -- with great respect. I have no relationship with Putin. I don't think I've ever met him. I never met him. I don't think I've ever met him.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You would know if you did.

TRUMP: I think so.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I mean if he...

TRUMP: Yes, I think so. So I've -- I don't think I've ever met him. I mean if he's in the same room or something. But I don't think so.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You never spoke to him on the phone?

TRUMP: I've been in Moscow. I didn't meet him in Moscow.

Where?

STEPHANOPOULOS: You've never spoken to him on the phone?

TRUMP: I have never spoken to him on the phone, no. I've speak -- I've spoken -- when we had the Miss Universe contest a number of years ago, we had Miss Universe in Moscow, in the Moscow area, he was invited. He wanted to come. He wasn't able to come.

That would have been a time when I would have met him.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But a -- I just want to clear this up, because you did say on three different occasions you had a relationship with him. Now you say there is not.

TRUMP: Well, I don't know what it means by having a relationship. I mean he was saying very good things about me, but I don't have a relationship with him. I didn't meet him. I haven't spent time with him. I didn't have dinner with him. I didn't go hiking with him. I don't know -- and I wouldn't know him from Adam except I see his picture and I would know what he looks like.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Vice President Biden told me this week that Vladimir Putin wants to beat Hillary and Madeleine Albright said that your victory would be a gift to Putin.

And what they're pointing to is things like your statements about conditioning our commitments to NATO allies, softening the GOP platform on Ukraine, even considering softening sanctions and recognizing Russian annexation of Crimea. They fear that that's going to hurt America and advance Russia's interests.

TRUMP: They only fear one thing, losing the election. If our country got along with Russia, that would be a great thing. When Putin goes out and tells everybody -- and you talk about a relationship, but he says Donald Trump is going to win and Donald Trump is a genius, and then I have people saying you should disavow. I said, I'm going to disavow that?

But when Putin says good things and when we have a possibility of having a good relationship with Russia...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But if we have a good relationship...

TRUMP: -- I think...

(CROSSTALK)

STEPHANOPOULOS: -- his annexation of Crimea.

TRUMP: I'm not going to be mean to anybody. George, you know me pretty well. I don't bow, OK. I don't bow.

But if we can have a good relationship with Russia and if Russia would help us get rid of ISIS, frankly, as far as I'm concerned, you're talking about tremendous amounts of money and lives and everything else, that would be a positive thing, not a negative thing.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Even if that means conditioning our commitments to NATO, as you said?

TRUMP: No, because you're not going to do that. NATO is going to be just fine. But NATO countries -- we have 28 countries -- many of them are taking advantage of us because they're not paying. So we're protecting these countries and they're not paying.

And when people leave that last part in, everybody agrees with me.

I'm all in favor of NATO. I said NATO is obsolete. I was asked a question by one of your competitors and I said NATO is obsolete, because it's not taking care of terror. You understand that. And it turned out I was right. A lot of people gave me credit for that.

Then, three months ago, on the front page of "The Wall Street Journal," they said NATO to develop a terror division. And somebody who's supposed to be very extraordinary was put in charge of it.

That was all because of me. So I was right about that.

I was also right about the fact that NATO, we're being taken advantage of by NATO countries, totally advantage of (INAUDIBLE)...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Then why did you soften the GOP platform on Ukraine?

TRUMP: I wasn't involved in that. Honestly, I was not involved.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Your people were.

TRUMP: Yes. I was not involved in that. I'd like to -- I'd have to take a look at it. But I was not involved in that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you know what they did?

TRUMP: They softened it, I heard, but I was not involved.

STEPHANOPOULOS: They took away the part of the platform calling for the provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves.

Why is that a good idea?

TRUMP: Well, look, you know, I have my own ideas. He's not going into Ukraine, OK?

Just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right?

You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he's already there, isn't he?

TRUMP: OK, well, he's there in a certain way, but I'm not there yet. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you're talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he's going where -- he takes -- takes Crimea, he's sort of -- I mean...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said you might recognize that.

TRUMP: I'm going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.

Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it's a mess. And that's under the Obama's administration, with his strong ties to NATO.

So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You said that...

TRUMP: And we'll do better and yet we'll have a better relationship with Russia.

And having a good relationship -- maybe. and having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Is there any doubt that Manafort and the Trump campaign has some secret pact with Russia?

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Is there any doubt that Manafort and the Trump campaign has some secret pact with Russia?


more likely that clinton foundation donations involved in pay to play


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It appears Christie is a Muslim wife :wink:


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Is there any doubt that Manafort and the Trump campaign has some secret pact with Russia?


Yes.

Hillary actually had a pact via UraniumOne.

The Clinton Bribe Foundation get a few million and Bill received a half million smackers for a 30 min speech.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:04 am 
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Nas wrote:
Is there any doubt that Manafort and the Trump campaign has some secret pact with Russia?


Seriously now, with everything we know about the Clinton Foundation, etc., which candidate do you really believe is more compromised due to relationships with foreign governments?

Look, I'm predisposed to vote for the Democrat. But when I see the way the Clinton machine and their media pals are trying to spin this, I can't help but be sympathetic to a guy I consider an absolute goof. I'd still never vote for Donald Trump, but if I feel that way, you can imagine how the middle of the road guy or the voter who is on the fence might feel.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:10 am 
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Nas wrote:
Is there any doubt that Manafort and the Trump campaign has some secret pact with Russia?


Partnership of Hill and Bill and Vlad nets tens of millions of USDollars for you know who. The Traitors.

How Hillary helped U.S. investors fund Russian research for military uses
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... y-uses.php

Here’s how it happened. As part of Hillary’s Russian reset, the Kremlin committed $5 billion over three years to fund Skolkovo, an “innovation city” on the outskirts of Moscow billed as Russia’s version of Silicon Valley. Clinton’s State Department worked aggressively to attract U.S. investment partners and helped the Russian State Investment Fund identify American tech companies worthy of Russian investment.

Dozens of U.S. tech firms, including top Clinton Foundation donors like Google, Intel, and Cisco, then made major financial contributions to Skolkovo. According to Schweizer, by 2012 Skolkovo had 28 Russian, American and European “Key Partners.” Of the 28 key partners, 17 have made financial commitments to the Clinton Foundation, totaling tens of millions of dollars, or sponsored speeches by Bill Clinton.

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