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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.

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There is a reason that experience matters. There is a reason that competency matters. This is why.


I think a lot of people are tired of or have animosity for the experience and competency of politicians and our system.


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Once Trump drops out, in a WWF inspired turn, the repubs drop the religious right by Caller Bob punching the pope and uniting behind Gary Johnson and the libertarian party.


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Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...

And infrastructure, ground-game tends to be more important/valuable during the primaries.

How many people really need to be reminded that they can vote on the day of the national Presidential elections.

To the extent he needs ground game at all, Trump only really needs ground game in a handful of battleground states.

He's going to win or lose 45 of them no matter what. Can't be hard to spin up some offices in Western Penn, Southern Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisco.


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How is that different than the primaries? Repubs could've done that during the primaries, would've made more sense.
Maybe they tried and failed.

btw, political campaign debt is fully dischargeable in bankruptcy...and the campaign itself only has to declare, not the candidate.


Primaries are over and people that support him have to realize it. Republican Party establishment types straddled the fence. Trump was never made to answer for a lot of the dumb shit he said during the campaign either. This is a completely different animal now. People are really wondering if they can envision him as President and not merely a novelty. He is cooked at this point.

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Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...


In order to win the Presidency he is going to need more than the working class vote from Youngstown Ohio residents. His most formidable opponent is also not Ted Cruz this time. He is running against a professionally run political operation now.

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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.


Yep.

If all of his staff quits, he will hire people from inside his inner circle to run the campaign. His devotees.

He isn't going away.

To think otherwise is foolish.

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If Trump were to be replaced as the nominee, how could anyone else get their name on the ballot at this point? Don't signatures need to be collected MANY months in advance?


I read something last night and it pretty much says the state delegates would choose. The could choose SomeGuy but in the end he would still need to get the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. Sounds like it would be a long process but a 2nd convention isn't a requirement.

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RFDC wrote:
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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.


The defections are now beginning to happen. A lot of people were secretly hoping he'd lose and didn't really feel a need to show they're hand.

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I think part of what is happening could be this:

is Trump doing big media buys? The stuff I've seen had hrc17@ outspending Trump on media by over $100 million. And yet she's neck and neck with him in the polls--and this is the week of her convention bump.

Trump might run his campaign without spending a billion dollars on TV/Radio/Print--and that has to scare the bejeezus out of TV/Radio/Print, now and going forward.

Print and Radio are already on their last legs, TV is staring down the barrel of cord-cutters and unbundling.

For media companies, Presidential Election years are like Black Friday in retail. If Trump runs and relies on his social media savvy and free media coverage rather than spending a billion plus on media?


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If Trump were to be replaced as the nominee, how could anyone else get their name on the ballot at this point? Don't signatures need to be collected MANY months in advance?


I read something last night and it pretty much says the state delegates would choose. The could choose SomeGuy but in the end he would still need to get the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. Sounds like it would be a long process but a 2nd convention isn't a requirement.

But you still need signatures to get on the ballot. I'm sure most of the guys who ran during the primary have them, but other potential candidates, probably not.

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long time guy wrote:
The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.


Yep.

If all of his staff quits, he will hire people from inside his inner circle to run the campaign. His devotees.

He isn't going away.

To think otherwise is foolish.


I don't think he's going to be pushed out... I think he's going to voluntarily drop. I just think it's becoming increasingly obvious that he wants no part of this. He can't be ignoring his advisors 100% out of sheer incompetence. The dude doesn't want any part of the "serious" part of the job.

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long time guy wrote:
RFDC wrote:
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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.


The defections are now beginning to happen. A lot of people were secretly hoping he'd lose and didn't really feel a need to show they're hand.


Most will hold off until mid October. There is still a chance he could win

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Hussra wrote:
Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...

And infrastructure, ground-game tends to be more important/valuable during the primaries.

How many people really need to be reminded that they can vote on the day of the national Presidential elections.

To the extent he needs ground game at all, Trump only really needs ground game in a handful of battleground states.

He's going to win or lose 45 of them no matter what. Can't be hard to spin up some offices in Western Penn, Southern Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisco.


His campaign is turning into a disaster. You can't win a general election the same way you win in the primaries. A ground game also isn't more important in the primary either. That is false.

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Hussra wrote:
Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...


In order to win the Presidency he is going to need more than the working class vote from Youngstown Ohio residents. His most formidable opponent is also not Ted Cruz this time. He is running against a professionally run political operation now.


If Mitt "47%" Romney could've gotten the white working-class in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania,Florida, etc to come out in numbers and pull the lever, punch the chad, tap the screen for him, he'd be running for a 2nd term right now.


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If Trump were to be replaced as the nominee, how could anyone else get their name on the ballot at this point? Don't signatures need to be collected MANY months in advance?


I read something last night and it pretty much says the state delegates would choose. The could choose SomeGuy but in the end he would still need to get the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. Sounds like it would be a long process but a 2nd convention isn't a requirement.

But you still need signatures to get on the ballot. I'm sure most of the guys who ran during the primary have them, but other potential candidates, probably not.


You don't need signatures. The general public doesn't get a say.

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Hussra wrote:
Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...

And infrastructure, ground-game tends to be more important/valuable during the primaries.

How many people really need to be reminded that they can vote on the day of the national Presidential elections.

To the extent he needs ground game at all, Trump only really needs ground game in a handful of battleground states.

He's going to win or lose 45 of them no matter what. Can't be hard to spin up some offices in Western Penn, Southern Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisco.


His campaign is turning into a disaster. You can't win a general election the same way you win in the primaries. A ground game also isn't more important in the primary either. That is false.


Unlike the primaries, no caucuses in the general.


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I think part of what is happening could be this:

is Trump doing big media buys? The stuff I've seen had hrc17@ outspending Trump on media by over $100 million. And yet she's neck and neck with him in the polls--and this is the week of her convention bump.

Trump might run his campaign without spending a billion dollars on TV/Radio/Print--and that has to scare the bejeezus out of TV/Radio/Print, now and going forward.

Print and Radio are already on their last legs, TV is staring down the barrel of cord-cutters and unbundling.

For media companies, Presidential Election years are like Black Friday in retail. If Trump runs and relies on his social media savvy and free media coverage rather than spending a billion plus on media?


Neck and Neck? She has at least a 5 point lead in every poll that I've seen. Once the 3rd Party types drift into the wilderness her lead increases.

You can't run a candidacy based on twitter retorts.

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Sure you can. how do you think Image got the nomination. Sure as heck wasn't his "ground game" or media buys.


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Hussra wrote:
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Hussra wrote:
Again, what infrastructure? the same non-infrastructure he had during the primary? The primary he won...

And infrastructure, ground-game tends to be more important/valuable during the primaries.

How many people really need to be reminded that they can vote on the day of the national Presidential elections.

To the extent he needs ground game at all, Trump only really needs ground game in a handful of battleground states.

He's going to win or lose 45 of them no matter what. Can't be hard to spin up some offices in Western Penn, Southern Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisco.


His campaign is turning into a disaster. You can't win a general election the same way you win in the primaries. A ground game also isn't more important in the primary either. That is false.


Unlike the primaries, no caucuses in the general.


You need more votes to win in the general. He also is running against a real candidate. There were only a few legitimate candidates in the Republican field. Completely different now.

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RULE NO. 9 Filling Vacancies in Nominations


(a) The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States, as nominated by the national convention, or the Republican National Committee may reconvene the national convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies.

(b) In voting under this rule, the Republican National Committee members representing any state shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as said state was entitled to cast at the national convention.

(c) In the event that the members of the Republican National Committee from any state shall not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder, the votes of such state shall be divided equally, including fractional votes, among the members of the Republican National Committee present or voting by proxy.

(d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the election.

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So it's more difficult to run against a single, deeply-flawed status-quo candidate with negatives as high as yours [and a goofy fairy for a running mate] vs running against several legit, somewhat diverse candidates?

It's a non-incumbent-party, non-establishment year. hrc17@ is the wrong candidate for 2016. President Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrats' best hope this year.


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There is a reason that experience matters. There is a reason that competency matters. This is why.


I think a lot of people are tired of or have animosity for the experience and competency of politicians and our system.


Yet Hillary still won by nearly 4 million votes. I don't really think that the level of discontent is as great as the perception.

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So it's more difficult to run against a single, deeply-flawed status-quo candidate with negatives as high as yours [and a goofy fairy for a running mate] vs running against several legit, somewhat diverse candidates?

It's a non-incumbent, non-establishment year. hrc17@ is the wrong candidate for 2016. President Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrats' best hope this year.


No she wouldn't and the person that doesn't run can't always be better than the person that does. There is a reason they don't run after all. Typically it's because they can't win.

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So it's more difficult to run against a single, deeply-flawed status-quo candidate with negatives as high as yours vs running against several legit, somewhat diverse candidates?

It's a non-incumbent, non-establishment year. hrc17@ is the wrong candidate for 2016. President Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrats' best hope this year.


They primaries are different because most of the voters were republican. In general the base consistently votes in the primaries but independents vote in the general. That's why some Tea Party candidates got crushed after knocking out an incumbent who would have likely won't the general election.

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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.



That is my read. If they had a hammer it would have been dropped already in an effort to save the election.

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1 out of 3 votes cast in the Democratic primary were cast for an odd-ball, Larry David imitator from Vermont who had previously not been a member of the Democractic party. That's a shit-load of discontent, and that's just one party.

The real discontented didn't even bother to show up to vote. Or they crossed over for Rand Paul or even Drumpf.


Combine Sanders + Trump + 3rd parties and the majority opinion in the electorate as a whole (cuz that's who will be voting in November) is anti party-establishment.


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Spaulding wrote:
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There is a reason that experience matters. There is a reason that competency matters. This is why.


I think a lot of people are tired of or have animosity for the experience and competency of politicians and our system.



This was my reason for thinking there are more votes out there for him than people think.

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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.



That is my read. If they had a hammer it would have been dropped already in an effort to save the election.


Fear prevents them from doing it. They still need his voters.

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The full weight of the Republican Party is about to come down on him.

People have been saying basically the same thing for a year.



That is my read. If they had a hammer it would have been dropped already in an effort to save the election.



Yeah, exactly. I think this is the media expecting Trump's campaign to dump wheelbarrows of cash on their doorstep post-RNC for media buys and when that didn't happen going into panic-mode and latching onto any sliver of hope they can find. Scarborough's even panicked. MSNBC should be worried. They have lower ratings than B&B.

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