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Yet Hillary still won by nearly 4 million votes. I don't really think that the level of discontent is as great as the perception.


Might end up being a little closer than you think but she will win. She will be awful, not more awful than trump, but still awful. It all makes me want to puke.


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Hillary will be great or a complete disaster.

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Hillary will be great or a complete disaster.



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Hillary will be great or a complete disaster.

no Nas, she'll be status quo. I'm prepared for President Hillary #resignedtomyfate #whereareyouwarren

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It is tiresome.

Just wait for the people during the primaries to wake up and pay attention....

Just wait for Jeb to get his act together....

Just wait for Cruz's ground game to catch up with him...

Just wait for Rubio to start to pull the gloves off...

Just wait for the Republican party to stop him...

Just wait for the NeverTrump people to do their stuff...

Now it has become:

Just wait he is imploding from the inside....

Just wait he does not even want the job...

Just wait the full weight of the Party is going to come down on him...

Just wait he is going to step aside...


:lol: I cannot figure out who is crazier....Trump or some of you guys who keep thinking his demise is imminent

Newsflash: Love him or hate him he is not going away. He is going to be around to November.

Hillary is going to have to beat him on election day. Maybe she will, maybe she won't...but he is not going away.

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Nas wrote:
Hillary will be great or a complete disaster.

no Nas, she'll be status quo. I'm prepared for President Hillary #resignedtomyfate #whereareyouwarren


I don't think there is an in between with her. I think she's boom or bust.

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It is tiresome.

Just wait for the people during the primaries to wake up and pay attention....

Just wait for Jeb to get his act together....

Just wait for Cruz's ground game to catch up with him...

Just wait for Rubio to start to pull the gloves off...

Just wait for the Republican party to stop him...

Just wait for the NeverTrump people to do their stuff...

Now it has become:

Just wait he is imploding from the inside....

Just wait he does not even want the job...

Just wait the full weight of the Party is going to come down on him...

Just wait he is going to step aside...


:lol: I cannot figure out who is crazier....Trump or some of you guys who keep thinking his demise is imminent

Newsflash: Love him or hate him he is not going away. He is going to be around to November.

Hillary is going to have to beat him on election day. Maybe she will, maybe she won't...but he is not going away.


What is tiresome is seeing people who keep talking about how his loss is inevitable yet continuously make arguments as to why he will beat Hillary. That in addition to those who ignore Trump's obvious flaws yet focus on investigations that have been concluded and faux scandals in the hopes that it can knock her out.
Now they are pinning their hopes on Julian Assange. If they can speculate on the non story without rebuke then why can't Trump detractors?

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Yet Hillary still won by nearly 4 million votes. I don't really think that the level of discontent is as great as the perception.


Might end up being a little closer than you think but she will win. She will be awful, not more awful than trump, but still awful. It all makes me want to puke.


I think she will be the 2nd or 3rd best President in my lifetime. Only Bill and Nixon better.

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RFDC wrote:
It is tiresome.

Just wait for the people during the primaries to wake up and pay attention....

Just wait for Jeb to get his act together....

Just wait for Cruz's ground game to catch up with him...

Just wait for Rubio to start to pull the gloves off...

Just wait for the Republican party to stop him...

Just wait for the NeverTrump people to do their stuff...

Now it has become:

Just wait he is imploding from the inside....

Just wait he does not even want the job...

Just wait the full weight of the Party is going to come down on him...

Just wait he is going to step aside...


:lol: I cannot figure out who is crazier....Trump or some of you guys who keep thinking his demise is imminent

Newsflash: Love him or hate him he is not going away. He is going to be around to November.

Hillary is going to have to beat him on election day. Maybe she will, maybe she won't...but he is not going away.


What is tiresome is seeing people who keep talking about how his loss is inevitable yet continuously make arguments as to why he will beat Hillary. That in addition to those who ignore Trump's obvious flaws yet focus on investigations that have been concluded and faux scandals in the hopes that it can knock her out.
Now they are pinning their hopes on Julian Assange. If they can speculate on the non story without rebuke then why can't Trump detractors?


I don't believe I have made any arguments as to why he will beat Hillary.

I have said on numerous occasions he is a very flawed candidate. I believe I have also called him a douchebag several times.

I just find it comical how people continue to believe he is some how just going away.

I would think you would understand how people can look past Trumps flaws since you continue to look past Hillarys flaws and somehow believe she will be one of the greatest presidents of your lifetime. I completely get believing she will win, but saying she will be one of the greats is crazy.

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1 out of 3 votes cast in the Democratic primary were cast for an odd-ball, Larry David imitator from Vermont who had previously not been a member of the Democractic party. That's a shit-load of discontent, and that's just one party.

The real discontented didn't even bother to show up to vote. Or they crossed over for Rand Paul or even Drumpf.


Combine Sanders + Trump + 3rd parties and the majority opinion in the electorate as a whole (cuz that's who will be voting in November) is anti party-establishment.


But Sanders voters are overwhelmingly reporting that they will vote for Clinton in the general election.

Anti-DNC doesn't seem to correlate with being pro-Trump.

Also, Clinton is apparently going to win the women's and non-white votes by record margins. This means that Trump will have to win roughly 80% of the white male vote in several battleground states (Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida, for starters) to swing the election his way. That prospect is highly unlikely right now, especially given that Trump's popularity among white men is decreasing.

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no Nas, she'll be status quo. I'm prepared for President Hillary #resignedtomyfate #whereareyouwarren

You actually went with disaster here. :wink:

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But Sanders voters are overwhelmingly reporting that they will vote for Clinton in the general election.

Anti-DNC doesn't seem to correlate with being pro-Trump.

Also, Clinton is apparently going to win the women's and non-white votes by record margins. This means that Trump will have to win roughly 80% of the white male vote in several battleground states (Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida, for starters) to swing the election his way. That prospect is highly unlikely right now, especially given that Trump's popularity among white men is decreasing.


This is part of the reason it all makes me want to puke.


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wow, TM knows how Bernie voters are going to vote and how white women and hispanic women and malaysian women and cartesian women are going to vote. huh. impressive.

Where'd he get that crystal ball? And could TM use it to tell us this week's Powerball numbers.We can all share the jackpot. Bernie style.


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USC/L.A. Times Daybreak Poll has Trump in the lead as of yesterday, Trump 45.3% Clinton 43.7%

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... story.html

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wow, TM knows how Bernie voters are going to vote and how white women and hispanic women and malaysian women and cartesian women are going to vote. huh. impressive.

Where'd he get that crystal ball? And could TM use it to tell us this week's Powerball numbers.We can all share the jackpot. Bernie style.


You're hardly one to be mocking prognostications, given that not too long ago you were 100% certain that Warren was going to be the Democratic nominee.

Do you think Trump is going to garner a lot of support among white women and people of color?

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President Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee, in 2020. maybe sooner....


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USC/L.A. Times Daybreak Poll has Trump in the lead as of yesterday, Trump 45.3% Clinton 43.7%

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... story.html


Grat, so he's one for the last eight or more?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

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What is tiresome is seeing people who keep talking about how his loss is inevitable yet continuously make arguments as to why he will beat Hillary.

yep. Those people are dumb.

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President Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee, in 2020. maybe sooner....


...the same year you will forward a coherent argument, maybe later.

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White women maybe.

CA, IL, and NY will always be blue.


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cluv8484 wrote:
USC/L.A. Times Daybreak Poll has Trump in the lead as of yesterday, Trump 45.3% Clinton 43.7%

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... story.html


Grat, so he's one for the last eight or more?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html



Polls again? Those worked so well in the primaries :lol:

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[Nate Silver] called Indiana for Hillary with 90% certainty, Michigan with like 99+%, and called Wisconsin a toss-up (went 56-43 Sanders). That's some serious whiffing on the dear old Midwest.



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President Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee, in 2020. maybe sooner....


...the same year you will forward a coherent argument, maybe later.

anyone predicting Clinton or Trump off the ticket really should have their political views dismissed.

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President Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee, in 2020. maybe sooner....


...the same year you will forward a coherent argument, maybe later.



damn, dawg, who peed in your cheerios.


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anyone predicting Clinton or Trump off the ticket really should have their political views dismissed.


you gonna take that, leashyourkids: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=99618&start=840#p2522188


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Polls again? Those worked so well in the primaries :lol:


Unlike your Elizabeth Warren prediction.

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President Elizabeth Warren 2020....
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Hussra wrote:
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anyone predicting Clinton or Trump off the ticket really should have their political views dismissed.


you gonna take that, leashyourkids: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=99618&start=840#p2522188


:lol:

I'm not sure if he's addressing my argument or not. I'm not saying Trump will be removed from the ticket by the powers-that-be. I'm saying that he doesn't want to be president and that he is getting more anxiety by the day about not only being president but the scrutiny he will face as we get closer (including debates in which he may have to form actual thoughts).

As a result, I think he is going to find a way to weasel out. If it happens, I have no idea how it will be spun, who will be involved to help him, etc. I don't think we the people will get a full, honest recollection of what happened.

I could obviously be wrong, but if anyone thinks he's not having a lot of regrets about where he's at, I think they're not reading him very well.

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CA, IL, and NY will always be blue.



Exactly. which is why the General requires less of a ground-game than the Primary.

Primary, Trump had to campaign and give speeches in California, New York, Illinois, and even redder-than-a-baboon's ass states like Mississippi and Alabama. Why would he waste a minute campaigning in any of those states in the General Election? He's either going to win or lose them going away.

Primary = have to touch and compete in pretty much all fifty states.

General election comes down to a handful of states. Trump can basically campaign in the Rust-Belt full-time; with the occasional side-trips to Florida for some golf, Colorado for some weed or Nevada for some black-jack or Virginia for some, uh, virgins.


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which the above strategy, while potentially highly effective to get Trump elected President, could have devastating effects (or no effect, or a postive effect) down-ticket.

the principal reason guys like Romney would campaign in, say, Southern California in 2012, would be to raise money and support local candidates.

If Trump sez, "fuck the media, I generate plenty of free-media coverage, so I'm not spending a billion dollars on bullshit media buys". Then he doesn't need to spend much time fund-raising. And then if he tells the RNC: "My job is to get elected President. Let me focus on that, you guys worry about your Congressional and State races. "... Image


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RFDC wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
It is tiresome.

Just wait for the people during the primaries to wake up and pay attention....

Just wait for Jeb to get his act together....

Just wait for Cruz's ground game to catch up with him...

Just wait for Rubio to start to pull the gloves off...

Just wait for the Republican party to stop him...

Just wait for the NeverTrump people to do their stuff...

Now it has become:

Just wait he is imploding from the inside....

Just wait he does not even want the job...

Just wait the full weight of the Party is going to come down on him...

Just wait he is going to step aside...


:lol: I cannot figure out who is crazier....Trump or some of you guys who keep thinking his demise is imminent

Newsflash: Love him or hate him he is not going away. He is going to be around to November.

Hillary is going to have to beat him on election day. Maybe she will, maybe she won't...but he is not going away.


What is tiresome is seeing people who keep talking about how his loss is inevitable yet continuously make arguments as to why he will beat Hillary. That in addition to those who ignore Trump's obvious flaws yet focus on investigations that have been concluded and faux scandals in the hopes that it can knock her out.
Now they are pinning their hopes on Julian Assange. If they can speculate on the non story without rebuke then why can't Trump detractors?


I don't believe I have made any arguments as to why he will beat Hillary.

I have said on numerous occasions he is a very flawed candidate. I believe I have also called him a douchebag several times.

I just find it comical how people continue to believe he is some how just going away.

I would think you would understand how people can look past Trumps flaws since you continue to look past Hillarys flaws and somehow believe she will be one of the greatest presidents of your lifetime. I completely get believing she will win, but saying she will be one of the greats is crazy.


I don't look past her flaws I accept them because all politicians are flawed. All people are flawed. I don't think her flaws will be destructive for the country because run of the mill politicians don't destroy the country. I never said all time great either.

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CA, IL, and NY will always be blue.



Exactly. which is why the General requires less of a ground-game than the Primary.

Primary, Trump had to campaign and give speeches in California, New York, Illinois, and even redder-than-a-baboon's ass states like Mississippi and Alabama. Why would he waste a minute campaigning in any of those states in the General Election? He's either going to win or lose them going away.

Primary = have to touch and compete in pretty much all fifty states.

General election comes down to a handful of states. Trump can basically campaign in the Rust-Belt full-time; with the occasional side-trips to Florida for some golf, Colorado for some weed or Nevada for some black-jack or Virginia for some, uh, virgins.


If you think he is going to win by holding rallies twittering and doing talk shows you are delusional.

The choice to dropout may not be up to him either. If his staff rebels then he will have no choice. You can't run a campaign without a staff. This "new way of politics" really does have people snowed.

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