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That's the crux of it for me WFR. If humanity could put aside the Religious fervor and focus on important issues without diety filtered perception I really think we'd be able to advance as a race.


Would love to hear your list of important issues.

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That's the crux of it for me WFR. If humanity could put aside the Religious fervor and focus on important issues without diety filtered perception I really think we'd be able to advance as a race.


Would love to hear your list of important issues.

Why such contempt for me?


I asked you a sincere question.

It was neither sincere, nor a question.


It was sincere.

It's up to you to provide a list or not. But there is no need to play a victim to an offense you invented.

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We could start with getting religion out of politics and the government. Please don't do the "explain more" response. You already know the explanation, and I'm simply not that passionate about all things religion.

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We could start with getting religion out of politics and the government. Please don't do the "explain more" response. You already know the explanation, and I'm simply not that passionate about all things religion.


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So now we've completed the Seacrest circle. Muslims are bad because of what Muhammed told them to do, but when asked for a direct quote to back up morons like Kim Davis' claims that Jesus told them to discriminate he can't. Got it. Are you starting to see why nobody takes your opinions on religion seriously and why even the most sporadic of church goers on her destroy you on a regular basis?


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and the only "proof" of God is saying that you can't disprove it, which is essentially a worthless hypothesis.


Pure ignorance.

Ever hear of Gnosis? It existed before Christianity. The early Church deemed it heretical, because if one has knowledge (of God), he would have no need of the Church to tell him what to believe and to take money from him.

By kabalistic methods it's possible to see "first light" of creation. Some call it the "Beatific Vision." To be a master of wisdom, one has to be in wisdom first (Chokmah), meaning egoless consciousness. This is the "Christ consciousness." With God's grace, it allows one to see the light.

Of course, the pre-requisite of all of this is faith, which atheists can't get past.

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and the only "proof" of God is saying that you can't disprove it, which is essentially a worthless hypothesis.


Pure ignorance.

Ever hear of Gnosis? It existed before Christianity. The early Church deemed it heretical, because if one has knowledge (of God), he would have no need of the Church to tell him what to believe and to take money from him.

By kabalistic methods it's possible to see "first light" of creation. Some call it the "Beatific Vision." To be a master of wisdom, one has to be in wisdom first (Chokmah), meaning egoless consciousness. This is the "Christ consciousness." With God's grace, it allows one to see the light.

Of course, the pre-requisite of all of this is faith, which atheists can't get past.

Before you open your mouth next time, have a clue what you are talking about.


None of that explains anything, bro. Let me know when God stops by for some meatloaf and takes a selfie on your phone.

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the new testament has anti-homosexuality passages (romans, 1st corinthians, and 1st timothy) and pro-slavery passages (matthew, mark, ephesians, colossians, 1st timothy, 1st corinthians and galatians). not to mention that many christians refer to being "slaves of christ/god".

the old testament is part of the christian bible. the torah is the jewish text. the old testament has books that aren't in the torah. only genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuteronomy are in the torah.

the fatal flaw in the "proofs" is in the first one about the unmoved mover. something had to create a god, according to its own logic. so it all breaks down.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
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and the only "proof" of God is saying that you can't disprove it, which is essentially a worthless hypothesis.


Pure ignorance.

Ever hear of Gnosis? It existed before Christianity. The early Church deemed it heretical, because if one has knowledge (of God), he would have no need of the Church to tell him what to believe and to take money from him.

By kabalistic methods it's possible to see "first light" of creation. Some call it the "Beatific Vision." To be a master of wisdom, one has to be in wisdom first (Chokmah), meaning egoless consciousness. This is the "Christ consciousness." With God's grace, it allows one to see the light.

Of course, the pre-requisite of all of this is faith, which atheists can't get past.

Before you open your mouth next time, have a clue what you are talking about.
Are you sure you aren't confusing religion with The Matrix?

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and the only "proof" of God is saying that you can't disprove it, which is essentially a worthless hypothesis.


Pure ignorance.

Ever hear of Gnosis? It existed before Christianity. The early Church deemed it heretical, because if one has knowledge (of God), he would have no need of the Church to tell him what to believe and to take money from him.

By kabalistic methods it's possible to see "first light" of creation. Some call it the "Beatific Vision." To be a master of wisdom, one has to be in wisdom first (Chokmah), meaning egoless consciousness. This is the "Christ consciousness." With God's grace, it allows one to see the light.

Of course, the pre-requisite of all of this is faith, which atheists can't get past.

Before you open your mouth next time, have a clue what you are talking about.
Are you sure you aren't confusing religion with The Matrix?


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the new testament has anti-homosexuality passages (romans, 1st corinthians, and 1st timothy) and pro-slavery passages (matthew, mark, ephesians, colossians, 1st timothy, 1st corinthians and galatians). not to mention that many christians refer to being "slaves of christ/god".

the old testament is part of the christian bible. the torah is the jewish text. the old testament has books that aren't in the torah. only genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuteronomy are in the torah.

the fatal flaw in the "proofs" is in the first one about the unmoved mover. something had to create a god, according to its own logic. so it all breaks down.



Both the Koran and Bible have passages that can be used for bad purposes. And bad people will do just that. That is why I believe the Muslim faith should not be associated with the crazies who are using it for political and terror purposes. Throughout history, leaders have used religion as a reason to oppress minorities/non believers and launch attacks for territory and power. It is not the religion that is to blame, but rather the individuals using the religion in an evil manner.

As for people who believe in God being the ones taking a leap of faith, any explanation for our existence is a leap of faith. Even if the big bang is true, you still have to wonder how and what came before that. I suspect that if the truth was revealed to us on earth it would be beyond our comprehension. If the Christian version of events are true, then one still has to wonder who created God or how He came into being.

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the new testament has anti-homosexuality passages (romans, 1st corinthians, and 1st timothy) and pro-slavery passages (matthew, mark, ephesians, colossians, 1st timothy, 1st corinthians and galatians). not to mention that many christians refer to being "slaves of christ/god".

the old testament is part of the christian bible. the torah is the jewish text. the old testament has books that aren't in the torah. only genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuteronomy are in the torah.

the fatal flaw in the "proofs" is in the first one about the unmoved mover. something had to create a god, according to its own logic. so it all breaks down.



Both the Koran and Bible have passages that can be used for bad purposes. And bad people will do just that. That is why I believe the Muslim faith should not be associated with the crazies who are using it for political and terror purposes. Throughout history, leaders have used religion as a reason to oppress minorities/non believers and launch attacks for territory and power. It is not the religion that is to blame, but rather the individuals using the religion in an evil manner.

As for people who believe in God being the ones taking a leap of faith, any explanation for our existence is a leap of faith. Even if the big bang is true, you still have to wonder how and what came before that. I suspect that if the truth was revealed to us on earth it would be beyond our comprehension. If the Christian version of events are true, then one still has to wonder who created God or how He came into being.


The issue is more the % of crazies that are christian does not match to the % of Muslims. For example, Qatar has 2.5 million people and will be hosting a world cup. They arrested a tourist for being drugged and raped when she came forward to the police for help.

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I think it's hard to get religion out of politics. Religion is what shapes a lot of people.


Yet, you think that it has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? Terrorism is political.

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the new testament has anti-homosexuality passages (romans, 1st corinthians, and 1st timothy) and pro-slavery passages (matthew, mark, ephesians, colossians, 1st timothy, 1st corinthians and galatians). not to mention that many christians refer to being "slaves of christ/god".

the old testament is part of the christian bible. the torah is the jewish text. the old testament has books that aren't in the torah. only genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuteronomy are in the torah.

the fatal flaw in the "proofs" is in the first one about the unmoved mover. something had to create a god, according to its own logic. so it all breaks down.



Both the Koran and Bible have passages that can be used for bad purposes. And bad people will do just that. That is why I believe the Muslim faith should not be associated with the crazies who are using it for political and terror purposes. Throughout history, leaders have used religion as a reason to oppress minorities/non believers and launch attacks for territory and power. It is not the religion that is to blame, but rather the individuals using the religion in an evil manner.

As for people who believe in God being the ones taking a leap of faith, any explanation for our existence is a leap of faith. Even if the big bang is true, you still have to wonder how and what came before that. I suspect that if the truth was revealed to us on earth it would be beyond our comprehension. If the Christian version of events are true, then one still has to wonder who created God or how He came into being.


It's a total copout to compare the lack of knowledge about the origin of the universe to the "leap of faith" in believing in a Christian stories/God. For Christianity to be "true" it would have to mean that God chose to reveal himself to only a certain part of the world, while condemning several generations in all of Asian, the Americas and Australia to eternal damnation. In the mean time you are also betting that your version of God is correct rather than the Islamic God, the Hindu Gods, or even if you chose the right sect of Christianity.

Believing that is quite a leap of faith, while the question of why is there life at all? We don't know, yet, but we are working on it.

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I think it's hard to get religion out of politics. Religion is what shapes a lot of people.


Yet, you think that it has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? Terrorism is political.


Islamic Terrorists use religion just like other groups have used religion throughout history. Religion has been used to achieve social and political aims throughout history. There are too many examples to cite. Muslims do not have a monopoly on this sort of behavior either. The goals of Islamic Terrorists are political in nature. They target the United States because of our politics not our religion. It doesn't fit this neatly constructed narrative conveniently propagated by our officials however.


If it were about religion then the majority of terrorist attacks would not occur in the Middle East. Asian Muslims are not targeting the United States. There is a reason

Was Jim Jones a "Christian" or a "Terrorist"? What about Timothy McVeigh? David Koresh? KKK organization?

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"Faith" as a concept really doesn't make sense either. If someone tried to sell you the idea of "having faith" in any other part of your life you would laugh at how dumb it was. Faith is asking you to accept an answer to a question that is currently unanswerable and then assume that answer is correct.

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It's a total copout to compare the lack of knowledge about the origin of the universe to the "leap of faith" in believing in a Christian stories/God. For Christianity to be "true" it would have to mean that God chose to reveal himself to only a certain part of the world, while condemning several generations in all of Asian, the Americas and Australia to eternal damnation. In the mean time you are also betting that your version of God is correct rather than the Islamic God, the Hindu Gods, or even if you chose the right sect of Christianity.

Believing that is quite a leap of faith, while the question of why is there life at all? We don't know, yet, but we are working on it.


I have struggled with both theories of evolution and Christian belief. I have a basis of knowledge for both with an undergrad degree in BioChem and having been raised Christian and spending lots of time reading up on the "historical" Jesus.

I don't have any answers that will sway you. Christian belief is not some pie in the sky theory and faith doesn't come out of no where. The death and resurrection of Jesus, along with the miracles he performed make a good case for Christ as the Son of God. Maybe it's all made up, and I certainly don't know. I can say that if you simply lived your life like Christ, you'd be a better person for it. I am not particularly religious, but I do have faith.

Evolution is a huge leap as well. There's lots of scientific evidence for evolution, and there are a ton of holes. It takes a big leap to believe we go from the big bang, to the creation of our solar system to amino acids eventually coming together until we move all the way to man kind.

I have even wondered if God put the universe in motion and used evolution as his manner of "development". Once man came into being through evolution, then maybe a lot of the Bible stories start to make sense. God didn't like where man was headed and sent his Son. I don't know.

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Hey fellas. Just checking in on this thread to see if you guys have figured out this whole religion and peace in the Middle East discussion? I figure if anyone could get to the bottom of it it's the brightest minds of the CFMB. Once it's all sorted out just forward me a powerpoint of the results

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Hey fellas. Just checking in on this thread to see if you guys have figured out this whole religion and peace in the Middle East discussion? I figure if anyone could get to the bottom of it it's the brightest minds of the CFMB. Once it's all sorted out just forward me a powerpoint of the results

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I think it's hard to get religion out of politics. Religion is what shapes a lot of people.


Yet, you think that it has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? Terrorism is political.


Islamic Terrorists use religion just like other groups have used religion throughout history. Religion has been used to achieve social and political aims throughout history. There are too many examples to cite. Muslims do not have a monopoly on this sort of behavior either. The goals of Islamic Terrorists are political in nature. They target the United States because of our politics not our religion. It doesn't fit this neatly constructed narrative conveniently propagated by our officials however.


If it were about religion then the majority of terrorist attacks would not occur in the Middle East. Asian Muslims are not targeting the United States. There is a reason

Was Jim Jones a "Christian" or a "Terrorist"? What about Timothy McVeigh? David Koresh? KKK organization?


Jim Jones doesn't really support your argument of religion not having a role in terrorism. You have a terrible argument that you keep harping on over and over. Believing that you are going to a magical place because you killed in the name of Allah enables terrorists. That is a fact. Why are there not Latin American terrorists striking the US if politics is the sole cause of Islamic terrorism?

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