http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/paul-oneal-videos-watch-graphic-chicago-police-shooting-body-cam-back-homicide-unarmed-teenager-traffic-stop/

Pretty Intense, see the whole thing (aside from actual kill shot). For all the grief cops get, moments like this are intense and I often wonder how most people would wade the waters of intense judgment in such pressure moments...

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Thoughts of first video...

-shook my head hearing the dispatch ask for clarification if an officer was shot, or just the offender.

-The anger of the officer of moving to 30 days of desk duty for discharging his gun.

-8 after the shooting began he is enjoying a cigarette.

when did joy-riding become a capital offense

Convenient:

If this is the case, that's pretty cut-and-dry, no? At least for the officers that fired at the vehicle as it passed by (also looked like the cop in the first video demonstrated poor muzzle discipline, almost caught his partner in a crossfire).

Looks like people are going to be touting "unarmed" (and apparently it's merely a "joy ride"), but are we really going to actively try to forget that dude stole a vehicle, crashed into 3 police units, and nearly ran down an officer in attempting to flee? I'm not saying he deserved to be killed (and I know me saying that makes it seem like I am saying that even more), but do you know who has an almost infinitely higher chance of not getting killed? Someone who doesn't steal a Jaguar and run into 3 police cruisers and nearly hit a cop with the car while fleeing.

Though it is interesting to note that in the first bodycam video, guy turns into the backyard just as one cop (the shooter?) gives the guy on the ground a swift kick accompanied by "you fucking shoot at us?" Then a few seconds later the same cop asks "He shot at us, right?"

Come on, dude. 1:13 of the second bodycam video: guy very, very nearly hits an officer while fleeing, then gets into a head-on collision with another cruiser.

I kind of agree with what you're saying. This certainly shouldn't have the same effect with the public as the McDonald shooting. That kid just looked like he was whacked out on drugs and the cops assassinated him. The problem is these cop shootings seem to be epidemic. Also, I've heard in this case from a cop I know that there are tapes that haven't been released that show cops doing celebration dances and saying shit like, "WE GOT HIM!" and laughing. That ain't gonna go over so well.

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been there, done that, didn't get shot. aren't they supposed to let people who flee in cars go these days? It's not that hard to track him without shooting up the neighborhood. lay back and let him roll through and radio ahead for cars/chopper/whatever to follow.

And the cops should be punished for that, and the travesty will be if they don't even for so explicitly disobeying use-of-force standards set by the dept.

However, when the cops got out of the car, and O'Neil turned the front bumper of his stolen vehicle into the path of a CPD officer, he displayed at least a general intent to harm, and displayed it again when he crashed head-on into the occupied cruiser in front of him. Those facts cannot, and should not, be ignored in favor of the "unarmed, high school graduate" narrative that is already being spun.

#Americavibe

I didn't see anything wrong with this, except for the fact that the CPD should not shoot at a fleeing vehicle if the vehicle is the only danger.

Did they not see the news out of France? Vehicles can be extremely dangerous. Take it out.

Don't want to get shot? Don't steal things.

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I questioned that officers decision to get out of the car there. The offender appeared he was more concerned with breaking the road block than running down the officer. Also at that point guns were going off, he has no choice but to get out of there. Also police fired probably 30 times at 5 or 6 different locations.

Was he unarmed? The police shot so many times, everyone of them thought they were under fire from their own gunshots.

He was driving a deadly weapon.

Watch again, shots weren't fired until he turned the car into the path of the officer exiting the vehicle. O'Neil couldn't possibly have missed the door of the cop car swinging open and the officer beginning to exit, but he drove that way anyway. That is at the absolute best, recklessness, more likely intent.

Not starting at 1:18 when he is running on foot. More than half of the shots came after that point.

A) "They shot at us, too, right?" Confusion all around. Some cops thought O'Neal fired at them. But if it looks like you are trying to hit someone with a car (he might not have been trying; he may have simply been fleeing), you're in trouble.

B) Beautiful street, too. Kinda freaked me out to see the cops firing so many times. Is it wise to fire that many times on a densely packed street?

C) This is another racial Rorschach test...

D) Jesus fucking Christ, deep down I am so racist when it comes to shit like this. What the fuck is wrong with me. I knew before watching the video that O'Neal was black, and I thought, "Well, yeah, it is too bad, definitely, but...." Then when I see him lying on the ground, bleeding, getting stomped--then I feel empathy. Such a waste, so young. I've got huge problems in my own life and so it makes it easy for me to blame someone else. jesus Christ.

E) As I hinted above, I can empathize with the cops, too. The situation is foggy, they're in the heat of the moment, they have pressure on them from almost every socio-political group, O'Neal appeared (to them) to try to hit them with a car....

F) And even if O'Neal was apprehended peacefully, his little stunt would cost innocent people cash. He smashed into a car--well, the owner's (the owner of the car O'Neal hit) insurance may pay for it, but the owner's rates will go up. (Just happened to me. Can't get the car fixed now.) Not to mention the owner of the Jaguar.

G) 18 year-old kid dead. What a waste. He could have turned everything around. Fuck.

H) One of the best students I ever had came from South Shore. He went to--and graduated from!!--Princeton. Imagine that--Princeton, often considered the greatest university in the entire world. After graduating, he took his own life. Not sure where I'm going with this...

So when it comes down to it, one of my reactions is that of a miserable, blame-others, immature racist. And yes, I'm making it about me, but I think you have to do that first.

I should point out that this website is the only one I could say this on.

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I was expecting Paul O'Neal to be white and maybe wearing a Yankees cap when I started watching. Figured it was some suburban kid meffed out, tooling around in daddy's jag.

Could possibly be relief that the situation is over. Man oh man, the things we say and do often have no ostensible connection with our intentions, or our conscious intentions. I know there are some psych majors and teachers on here, maybe they can explain it....but yeah, regardless, it ain't gonna go over well.

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And kicking a ball back into the infield after muffing it?

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The guy was basically too stupid to live.

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Watched again, just a 2nd cluster of 5 or 6 shots once he left the vehicle. I agree him to be driving a deadly weapon, but the police escalated by attempting to box the car in and basically forcing him to ram a police car. Isn't protocol not to engage a stolen car for this exact scenario?

They forced him to ram into a police car!

Come on, man.

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Just one time, I'd like for them to solely focus on why an 18-year old is stealing cars.

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Then why do we have police? If police attempting to peaceably put an end to a dangerous crime in progress is "escalating" and "forcing him to ram a police car", why even bother having officers out on the street? Just let every crime in progress play out, then hope we can catch the bad guys and prosecute, right?

I'm one of the more staunch advocates for police accountability you'll find--I advocate repealing qualified immunity--but come on, man, that's a fucking ridiculous sentiment straight from the most radical of radical #BLM loons.



According to the Trib, firing into the vehicle was ostensibly against procedure laid out by CPD. I don't know if the almost-running down of a cop changes that. I don't think roadblocks are against procedure or can in any reasonable interpretation be labeled as "escalating".

Does anyone think the way to fix the problem is to remove firearms from patrolling police? Just allow SWAT or specialized units to be heavily armed and only provide street officers with non-deadly weapons (pepper spray, taser, ect).

Okay, he had the choice to stop short of that police car and hope the police were out of ammunition and would stop firing.

It's called fun. Who hasn't boosted a car and taken it for a joy-ride in their teenage years.

Wonder what happened in that back yard. 18 year old dude training to be a boxer. No way the cops should've caught him. heck, even Tony Soprano out-ran the cops in that season finale when
the New York boss gets a warrant served at his house at dawn. Wonder if he was cornered in that back yard and surrendered/gave up trying to get away. Maybe he stood there with his hands up, back to the cops and the cop shot him anyway?

Yeah, not sure if his intent matters if it is not clear to others what that intent is. (Morally speaking, not legally.)

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So then how does a patrol officer stop a criminal with a handgun?

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Yes, that could have happened.....no video of the shooting, though?

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I may be wrong there about that being policy, I think I was thinking of high speed police chases.