So because mistakes have been made previously...cops aren't actually allowed to apprehend actual criminals?

No thanks. I'd rather allow cops to do their job. When it comes to "serve and protect," we need to look at the big picture.

As long as there are assholes like O'Neal, innocents will be at risk. O'Neals will always be a bigger issue than "cops."

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You're all over the place. Do you want cops to apprehend criminals, or shoot them? Do you want them to do their job, or to kill people?

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I want them to stop criminals. The method's severity is tied to the severity of the crime. Stealing and recklessly driving a vehicle? Yes...you can shoot that person. Lives are in danger.

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That's an insane belief though, just so you know. You think my political beliefs are nutty, but that's much crazier than anything I believe or have said. Any drunk driver who is swerving... what about them? Shoot them too? Kill every person who could theoretically harm someone else and is breaking the law?

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Every situation is different but this definitely isn't a situation IMO where we can just blame the police. I hate to see any kid lose his life or throw it away but his stupidity cost him.

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It's not an either/or thing, though. You can acknowledge that the kid's actions contributed to his death, while also acknowledging the police reacted horribly to this situation. Every objective look at this I have found agrees the police used horrible judgment in this situation.

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Just stop policing.

Problem solved.

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Don't stop policing

Hold on to that feeeeliiing

Low life people ooooohhhhh

How did they act horribly? He almost hit an officer and he slammed into a squad car. What should they have done?

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2005.

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QUOTE my post next time, IDIOT.

Not fired so many shots that the other officers thought they were dealing with multiple hostile shooters in the car

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READS JUST FINE

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From what I read, the Chicago Police rules forbid shooting at a car unless there is a threat. Once the car had passed the officer, they continued to shoot at the car. Also the magical body cam not working when they shot the kid makes you kind of wonder.

Again, why is this kid stealing cars? How do we fix the family issues that resulted in a kid stealing a car?

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From a NY Times article:

But in 2015, a department policy was revised to restrict circumstances in which officers may fire their guns into a moving car. The new rule bars officers from shooting into a vehicle when the vehicle is the only threat against them; in this case, the officers kept firing after the car had passed them.

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We saw the shooting. The kid almost hit an officer and he was speeding towards other officers. He ended up slamming into them too.

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This kid tried to harm cops. If I'm intentionally committing a crime and trying to harm anyone...shoot me.

Wanting to stop criminals is hardly an insane belief. They are criminals.

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Wanting to shoot a criminal who is not a direct threat, which is what you are repeatedly advocating in this thread, is absolutely a psychotic belief. It's much crazier than almost any political opinion expressed by any other board member here.

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Are you on board with cops meting out those punishments at their whim?

And we already have more prisoners than anyone.

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Have you read the last page?

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O'Neal was a direct threat. Dangerously operating a vehicle after showing an intent to cause harm is a direct threat. It was neutralized. Thank you CPD.

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Was he a direct threat still when he was shot in the back multiple times while running away? Or does that not matter? Endanger someone's life at all, and when the cops finally catch up to the suspect it's still ok to kill them?

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Let him get away so he can harm an innocent? Steal another car? I'd rather not.

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JORR, I think you have your question answered.

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I thought he was shit in the car.

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Just now got around to watching the video after reading about it all day. Pretty horrible, but about 90 seconds in when the cop runs up to the boarded fence and cant hop it, and then just says fuck a couple times and turns around to run around the entire house was one of the funniest things I've seen all day. Maybe get cops that have even a modicum of physical ability to do the job.

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I will say that it is pretty fucked up that multiple media outlets are running this exact headline - "Police body camera video shows incident leading to death of unarmed African-American teen". I'm obviously as critical as police abuse as anyone, but that's a ridiculously slanted headline. The media does indeed suck a fat one.

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Given how this ended, I'm guessing he did.

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That's extreme, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that if you don't want to get shot, don't steal a car, almost take out a pedestrian, and then ram the car into police vehicles. I have no sympathy for the guy.

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Exactly.

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