You're a fucking retard.

Next, we have a HUGE pool of unused labor covering low skill and high skill. The issue is those people won't work for table scraps and pats on the head.

A work visa program is a program to flood the alreadt full pool of labor to lower wages to slave level. Same with any expansion of the H1 program. It ain't skill it's cost. What's Disney doing with their IT staff?

"Come and Go" nope, sorry, I'd like borders because I want a nation and not a giant plantation for our corporate overlords.

Fuckhead.

They will rue the day they didn't give Obama's hanging appointee a chance, hell he was recommended by some Rs until?Obama agreed with them . Hopefully Pres. Clinton gives us 3-4 Brennans who can be there another 30-35 years

I agree with your two points. I just want a working solution that addresses those concerns as well as gets back to an enforceable border situation. For me, having people become guest workers or eventually citizens is far more attractive than millions of undocumented. And then we also have other people besides Latins here overstaying visa etc.

Hypothetically, what do you think the landscape would look like if all those jobs no one wants to do paid Brick's livable wage? Would there be as much demand for immigration legal or not? We as consumers demanding low prices and companies wanting cheap labor contribute to the mess.

Well you make my point about the inability to have a decent debate. You start and end with slurs. The sad thing is, squeezed in between, you make the typical and fair rebuttals to my assertions.

If you're worried about low wages, then fight for the living wage. I prefer to let markets work including the free flow of goods and labor across borders. Immigrants are a net benefit to society. They are taxpayers, consumers, and a source of new ideas and energy. Silicon Valley is thrives because of immigrant entreprenuers.

5% unemployment would indicate otherwise. But I get that labor force participation is quite low. Of course I don't support a higher minimum wage.

The citizens you're concerned about aren't going to make a great living washing dishes or doing janitorial work, so the vast majority of immigration is from people taking those jobs. Now on the high skilled end, the country has a major skill gap/shortage. We do not graduate near enough STEM degrees, so importing Indians and Chinese for those jobs is smart business.

The middle class wash dishes and scrubs toilets? Interesting.

As for Indians and STEM....AAHAJJAHA, we import them because they are cheap. Companies like Disney fire higher paid and skilled IT people and replace them with cheap, low skill IT Indians or whoever the fuck will work for peanuts.

You think your rank and file India bred IT guy is some STEM WIZARD?

Cost cost cost.

I've told him exactly that multiple times and I would know far better than him. He doesn't read my posts though so maybe that's the issue.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Some dumb ass pic from Breitbart

The middle class wash dishes and scrubs toilets? Interesting.

As for Indians and STEM....AAHAJJAHA, we import them because they are cheap. Companies like Disney fire higher paid and skilled IT people and replace them with cheap, low skill IT Indians or whoever the fuck will work for peanuts.

You think your rank and file India bred IT guy is some STEM WIZARD?

Cost cost cost.

Judging by their alligator warning signs, they must do the same thing with their risk management department.

I have no idea what this is bullseye to mran, you tard

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Yeap. Americans are scared of competition from foreign workers both in terms of trade and immigrant job takers. We need protection from all those greedy Indians and Chinese that are trying to achieve the same American dream that we all aspire to.

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Dude, don't start this now.

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I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

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Judging by their alligator warning signs, they must do the same thing with their risk management department.

Yeap. Americans are scared of competition from foreign workers both in terms of trade and immigrant job takers. We need protection from all those greedy Indians and Chinese that are trying to achieve the same American dream that we all aspire to.

PM, look at this way, what is the cause of illegal immigration:

1) There are jobs available here that no one really wants at wages that are attractive to immigrants.
2) The legal system does not let enough people in. If you had a robust guest worker program, many of the folks would do seasonal work- produce picking/landscaping, and then go back home. But since it is so risky to cross the border, folks have to stay once they get in. Thus you have a permanent illegal population.

Solution: Let folks come and go on work visas. For people that want to stay permanently, the system need to process those application quickly and have enough spots to meet demand.

If you're just a racist like a lot of right wingers, well then there's no helping you anyway. They probably hate the thought of even one Mexican or Chinese person coming to America let alone millions.

We do not graduate near enough STEM degrees

One of the most comprehensive and rigorous considerations of the idea of a STEM shortage comes in the form of a research paper, released this April, from the Economic Policy Institute. Among their findings:

The flow of U.S. students (citizens and permanent residents) into STEM fields has been strong over the past decade, and the number of U.S. graduates with STEM majors appears to be responsive to changes in employment levels and wages.

For every two students that U.S. colleges graduate with STEM degrees, only one is hired into a STEM job.

In computer and information science and in engineering, U.S. colleges graduate 50 percent more students than are hired into those fields each year; of the computer science graduates not entering the IT workforce, 32 percent say it is because IT jobs are unavailable, and 53 percent say they found better job opportunities outside of IT occupations. These responses suggest that the supply of graduates is substantially larger than the demand for them in industry….
Analyzing new data, drawing on a number of our prior analyses, and reviewing other studies of wages and employment in the STEM and IT industries, we find that industry trends are strikingly consistent:

Over the past decade IT employment has gradually increased, but it only recovered to its 2000–2001 peak level by the end of the decade.

Wages have remained flat, with real wages hovering around their late 1990s levels."

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

5% unemployment would indicate otherwise. But I get that labor force participation is quite low. Of course I don't support a higher minimum wage.

The citizens you're concerned about aren't going to make a great living washing dishes or doing janitorial work, so the vast majority of immigration is from people taking those jobs. Now on the high skilled end, the country has a major skill gap/shortage. We do not graduate near enough STEM degrees, so importing Indians and Chinese for those jobs is smart business.

Many recent science and information technology graduates are failing to find full-time work at a time when science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education is a priority for government and industry.

Mapping Australian higher education 2016 shows that in 2015, only half of bachelor degree science graduates seeking full-time work had found it four months after completing their degrees, 17 percentage points below the average for all graduates.

Among recent science graduates who found full-time jobs, only half say their qualification is required or important for their job – about 20 percentage points below the average.

Although job outcomes improve over time, science bachelor degree graduates are less likely than other STEM graduates to work in high-skill managerial or professional jobs.

We have a shortage of STEM degrees willing to work for uncompetitive wages. There are plenty of US citizens that can fill these positoins. The beauty of H1B1 visa is the immigrant employee is hostage to the employer. Was is he/she going to do? Go find another job?

So, yea sure, of course I'll take this grossly uncompetitive wage! Drive down wages for everyone? Not my problem, I just don't want to be sent back home.