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Squawk Box (CNBC) had Trump on live this morning for nearly 40 minutes. He was his usual rambling self with no definitive, specific answers to the hosts' questions. But one thing I have noticed is that Trump is willing to go on live with pretty much anyone who requests an interview. And he spends as much time as the station will allow.

On this morning's show, Becky Quick mentioned several times that Clinton has yet to come on their show despite requests stretching back months. She said that Hillary has an open invitation to appear.

I wonder why they are sheltering Clinton. Are they just going to let Trump hang himself and then try to win by default? Up until now, that strategy appears to be working. But where it might fail is if she gets blown out in the debates. And Trump imperiled his rivals in the GOP debates with his unorthodox style. He continues to garner the vast majority of the media coverage and debate on cable news stations.


Trump only does the shows which function as infomercials. He avoids shows which ask tough questions. Hillary Clinton needs to be more accessible. It was one of her failings during the last campaign and they are doing it again this time. It is not going to hurt against Trump as much because he such a flawed candidate.


No LTG, he goes on CNN and CNBC among others. They ask fair and probing questions. He just responds in ways that it is a non answer or a double answer. For instance, he brought up Ford and Carrier opening plants in Mexico. He would "prevent" that by slapping tariffs on those imports. Two minutes later he says is he a Free Trader but wants Fair Trade. He's playing both sides. Tariffs=sales taxes.

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Squawk Box (CNBC) had Trump on live this morning for nearly 40 minutes. He was his usual rambling self with no definitive, specific answers to the hosts' questions. But one thing I have noticed is that Trump is willing to go on live with pretty much anyone who requests an interview. And he spends as much time as the station will allow.

On this morning's show, Becky Quick mentioned several times that Clinton has yet to come on their show despite requests stretching back months. She said that Hillary has an open invitation to appear.

I wonder why they are sheltering Clinton. Are they just going to let Trump hang himself and then try to win by default? Up until now, that strategy appears to be working. But where it might fail is if she gets blown out in the debates. And Trump imperiled his rivals in the GOP debates with his unorthodox style. He continues to garner the vast majority of the media coverage and debate on cable news stations.


Trump only does the shows which function as infomercials. He avoids shows which ask tough questions. Hillary Clinton needs to be more accessible. It was one of her failings during the last campaign and they are doing it again this time. It is not going to hurt against Trump as much because he such a flawed candidate.


No LTG, he goes on CNN and CNBC among others. They ask fair and probing questions. He just responds in ways that it is a non answer or a double answer. For instance, he brought up Ford and Carrier opening plants in Mexico. He would "prevent" that by slapping tariffs on those imports. Two minutes later he says is he a Free Trader but wants Fair Trade. He's playing both sides. Tariffs=sales taxes.


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You add so much value my good friend Leash. Thanks for advancing the discussion.

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You add so much value my good friend Leash. Thanks for advancing the discussion.


I was agreeing with you, doink.

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Squawk Box (CNBC) had Trump on live this morning for nearly 40 minutes. He was his usual rambling self with no definitive, specific answers to the hosts' questions. But one thing I have noticed is that Trump is willing to go on live with pretty much anyone who requests an interview. And he spends as much time as the station will allow.

On this morning's show, Becky Quick mentioned several times that Clinton has yet to come on their show despite requests stretching back months. She said that Hillary has an open invitation to appear.

I wonder why they are sheltering Clinton. Are they just going to let Trump hang himself and then try to win by default? Up until now, that strategy appears to be working. But where it might fail is if she gets blown out in the debates. And Trump imperiled his rivals in the GOP debates with his unorthodox style. He continues to garner the vast majority of the media coverage and debate on cable news stations.


Trump only does the shows which function as infomercials. He avoids shows which ask tough questions. Hillary Clinton needs to be more accessible. It was one of her failings during the last campaign and they are doing it again this time. It is not going to hurt against Trump as much because he such a flawed candidate.


No LTG, he goes on CNN and CNBC among others. They ask fair and probing questions. He just responds in ways that it is a non answer or a double answer. For instance, he brought up Ford and Carrier opening plants in Mexico. He would "prevent" that by slapping tariffs on those imports. Two minutes later he says is he a Free Trader but wants Fair Trade. He's playing both sides. Tariffs=sales taxes.


When they hold him accountable for the evasive answers he stops doing the shows. He boycotted Fox News because of that. He won't do MSNBC anymore because they stopped kissing his ass. As long as he is allowed to ramble he is fine with doing their shows. Once they begin to hold him accountable he stops. THis is the guy that ducked a debate because he didn't like the moderators. When has that ever happened?

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.

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When they hold him accountable for the evasive answers he stops doing the shows. He boycotted Fox News because of that. He won't do MSNBC anymore because they stopped kissing his ass. As long as he is allowed to ramble he is fine with doing their shows. Once they begin to hold him accountable he stops. THis is the guy that ducked a debate because he didn't like the moderators. When has that ever happened?


Look I can't stand him. But you can't attack him for not appearing on shows, when he is on all the time, while his opponent doesn't do interviews.

Skipping that debate was genius. Two of the under card candidates joined him on stage, and he took all the media attention away from the main debate. I watched that whole night in awe.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.


Obama sure did hook his boyz up with money, weapons and a place to play in Libya and Iraq.

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When they hold him accountable for the evasive answers he stops doing the shows. He boycotted Fox News because of that. He won't do MSNBC anymore because they stopped kissing his ass. As long as he is allowed to ramble he is fine with doing their shows. Once they begin to hold him accountable he stops. THis is the guy that ducked a debate because he didn't like the moderators. When has that ever happened?


Look I can't stand him. But you can't attack him for not appearing on shows, when he is on all the time, while his opponent doesn't do interviews.

Skipping that debate was genius. Two of the under card candidates joined him on stage, and he took all the media attention away from the main debate. I watched that whole night in awe.


He is more accessible than Hillary. That isn't saying much though. He doesn't take tough questions though. The press has been much harsher since the primary season ended and he has correspondingly done fewer interviews.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



Here's the thing. He's not trying to get your vote or mine. He knows he won't. He's trying to make absolutely sure that Hillbilly Pete in Ashtabula gets his ass out to vote.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



Here's the thing. He's not trying to get your vote or mine. He knows he won't. He's trying to make absolutely sure that Hillbilly Pete in Ashtabula gets his ass out to vote.


My point is that I don't think he's trying to get any votes. I think he's trying to make sure he doesn't win. He's already got Darkside's votes, so - if he's really trying to win - it's a futile effort if he doesn't try to reach someone beyond his current psychotic base.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



He is playing to bomb throwing wing of the Republican Party. This is the portion of the party that still believes that Obama was born in Kenya. He has yet to make the all important pivot to the center. Maybe he never will but I think he believes that he doesn't need to. Trump probably doesn't want the job but I think aside from the bluster he probably doesn't really think that he could do the job.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



Here's the thing. He's not trying to get your vote or mine. He knows he won't. He's trying to make absolutely sure that Hillbilly Pete in Ashtabula gets his ass out to vote.


My point is that I don't think he's trying to get any votes. I think he's trying to make sure he doesn't win. He's already got Darkside's votes, so - if he's really trying to win - it's a futile effort if he doesn't try to reach someone beyond his current psychotic base.


You're looking at it through your own eyes. When some guy in rural PA or OH hears him say that "Barack Hussein Obama founded ISIS", that guy is like, "FUCK YEAH, WE'VE GOTTA STOP THIS BITCH! NOT FOUR MORE YEARS OF BARRY!" and is getting fired up to vote. He's not hearing this shit the same way you are. Trump needs to make sure those guys actually vote.

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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



Here's the thing. He's not trying to get your vote or mine. He knows he won't. He's trying to make absolutely sure that Hillbilly Pete in Ashtabula gets his ass out to vote.


My point is that I don't think he's trying to get any votes. I think he's trying to make sure he doesn't win. He's already got Darkside's votes, so - if he's really trying to win - it's a futile effort if he doesn't try to reach someone beyond his current psychotic base.


You're looking at it through your own eyes. When some guy in rural PA or OH hears him say that "Barack Hussein Obama founded ISIS", that guy is like, "FUCK YEAH, WE'VE GOTTA STOP THIS BITCH! NOT FOUR MORE YEARS OF BARRY!" and is getting fired up to vote. He's not hearing this shit the same way you are. Trump needs to make sure those guys actually vote.


No, I agree with you there. I just don't think there are enough Darksides in those swing states to win him the election (there were in the primary states with Republicans only, however).

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No, I agree with you there. I just don't think there are enough Darksides in those swing states to win him the election (there were in the primary states with Republicans only, however).
There may be some silent Darksides that aren't willing to be so open about it. I think that is what he is hoping for.

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He needs FL and OH. Both states that are full of nutcases and hillbillies. He saw what two moderate republicans did against Obama and he said fuck it... Let's get the crazies out and see what happens.

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No, I agree with you there. I just don't think there are enough Darksides in those swing states to win him the election (there were in the primary states with Republicans only, however).


There probably aren't. I would expect with the Supreme Court seats on the line all the pro-choicers will come out strong. Trump's play is to make sure every nutjob votes and hope that there is enough ambivalence toward or disillusionment with Hillary that many of her potential voters just say, "Fuck it, I'm sitting this one out" or vote for Johnson or Stein.

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No, I agree with you there. I just don't think there are enough Darksides in those swing states to win him the election (there were in the primary states with Republicans only, however).


There probably aren't. I would expect with the Supreme Court seats on the line all the pro-choicers will come out strong. Trump's play is to make sure every nutjob votes and hope that there is enough ambivalence toward or disillusionment with Hillary that many of her potential voters just say, "Fuck it, I'm sitting this one out" or vote for Johnson or Stein.

People don't come out to vote to vote against someone. They do it because they were motivated and excited by an individual. Come November a lot of people are just going to sit it out. Hillary hasn't excited anyone since the night Chelsea was conceived.

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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.

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No, I agree with you there. I just don't think there are enough Darksides in those swing states to win him the election (there were in the primary states with Republicans only, however).


There probably aren't. I would expect with the Supreme Court seats on the line all the pro-choicers will come out strong. Trump's play is to make sure every nutjob votes and hope that there is enough ambivalence toward or disillusionment with Hillary that many of her potential voters just say, "Fuck it, I'm sitting this one out" or vote for Johnson or Stein.

People don't come out to vote to vote against someone. They do it because they were motivated and excited by an individual. Come November a lot of people are just going to sit it out. Hillary hasn't excited anyone since the night Chelsea was conceived.


I'd say even the last sentence is questionable.

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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.
Where are all the Libertarians to convince me to vote for him? We need Scorehead back.

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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.


I think the encouraging thing is that it's getting traction for alternative voices in general. It's too bad that it took these two candidates to make that happen, but maybe that was the only way it would start to happen.

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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.
Where are all the Libertarians to convince me to vote for him? We need Scorehead back.


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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.


Only on the ballot in 39 states so far.

I have friends writing in Paul Ryan. I am voting Johnson, although he only makes a decent case for Libertarians. His running mate Weld is much better spoken.

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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.
Where are all the Libertarians to convince me to vote for him? We need Scorehead back.


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All this does is get Johnson more traction. Maybe not in this election but this could be the turning point for the Libertarian party. Nader and Perot were personalities not a party. Johnson is the opposite... People are voting his ideas not him.


Only on the ballot in 39 states so far.

I have friends writing in Paul Ryan. I am voting Johnson, although he only makes a decent case for Libertarians. His running mate Weld is much better spoken.


I saw some Libertarians on TV the other day railing against Johnson and stating that he's not a true Libertarian. I sometimes think people ask for too much. No candidate is going to align with 100% of your views.

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denisdman wrote:
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So, he doubled down this morning that "Barack Hussein Obama" was the founder of ISIS?

More proof he doesn't want to be president.



I listen to his statements, and I wonder the same thing. Sometimes, I think he just can't articulate what he is trying to say. MANY Republicans think that Obama's pull back strategy in Iraq created the vacuum that allowed ISIS (al qaeda in Irag) to move in. If that is what he is trying to say, then I get it. But who the heck knows.


It is, but when he chooses to phrase it that way, it makes me think he has no interest. He could say that without calling him the "founder" of ISIS.



He is playing to bomb throwing wing of the Republican Party. This is the portion of the party that still believes that Obama was born in Kenya. He has yet to make the all important pivot to the center. Maybe he never will but I think he believes that he doesn't need to. Trump probably doesn't want the job but I think aside from the bluster he probably doesn't really think that he could do the job.


According to the latest polls that's still 70% of the party.

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