All I know if I was in a World Series game 7 there's no one I'd rather have on the mound for my team than the guy Quintana is pitching against.

I remember when we used to have this argument about Jeff Samardzija and how all those advanced stats told me how great he was but for run support and here is finally pitching for a good team and he all he can muster is 8-7 with a mid 4 ERA.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I remember when we used to have this argument about Jeff Samardzija and how all those advanced stats told me how great he was but for run support and here is finally pitching for a good team and he all he can muster is 8-7 with a mid 4 ERA.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

"QOPP R/9" is "Quintana Opponents' Runs per 9 Innings", and "ROPP R/G" is "Real Opponents Runs per Game". The bottom in bold is an average of all teams (not including the inter-league split at the top), and as you can see, Quintana is able to limit opponent scoring to about 65% of their averages when extrapolated out to 9 innings. Without extrapolation, Quintana holds opponents to an average that is 47% of their regular marks.

The White Sox average 3.39 R/9 when Quintana is on the hill, and their average is 3.99 R/G. So, all told, the opposing pitchers are limiting White Sox output to 85% of their average.

The problem is that the Sox' offense is so bad, that even limiting it's run-scoring rate by 85% makes leaving the game after 5, 6, or 7 innings and change with a lead an even more daunting task if you give up even a single run. And that is why "Wins" is such an awful metric.

Since he became a full-time starter, Quintana has limited opponent scoring to a rate of 3.64 runs per 9. In that same time frame, Quintana is 7th-worst among qualified starters with an average RS/9 of 3.81. Since 2012, the average AL R/G mark has been 4.37, and the Sox have averaged 4.04 R/G.

Quintana has held "the League" (because I'm not going through and calculating a R/G average for only Quintana's opponents in the last 5 years, the AL's 5-year average will get us close enough) to an average of 83% of their scoring, the Sox have been held to 94% of theirs when Quintana is on the hill.

When you remove the 2012 season, the differences become even more glaring. Quintana holds "the League" to 3.56 R/9, or 81% of their scoring, and the Sox average 3.89 R/G, or are held to 96% of their average scoring by Quintana's collective opponents.

Since 2013, Quintana is 28th in the MLB among all qualified starters in limiting run scoring rate (R/9), but is 82nd in W/L%. To say that has more to do with how he "competes" than with how poorly his offense has performed for multiple years is beyond silly.

Doubront is a reliever who has pitched over 100 innings maybe once or twice. I barely know who Gibson is but I'm gonna say he has a losing record. You can do better if you want to go this route.

Both of those pitchers "outdueled" Jose Quintana and got wins while Quintana got the loss both times.

Quintana went 7 IP and 1 ER and 8 IP and 2 ER.

Answer the question - are Doubront and Gibson better pitchers?

If your argument is so fucking strong, why are you always disingenuously hiding the ball with short samples?

He will say "on that day they were better competitors" only a few posts removed from saying this:

How would those statements conflict? Can't a worse pitcher pitch better on a day?

So with that being said, why can't it happen on 5 different days? Or 50 different days?

Over the course of any significant stretch, I know who is better.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

You have been wrong MANY times.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

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http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=100064

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Also if you fuck someone like they are a millionaire they might go try to be one.

Continuing the 0fer...

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It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Woo hoo Fulmer brisk walked himself thru that inning. He's starting to figure this relieving thing out.