I have no idea what this means.

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I disagree. It's clear that Sanders has helped ignite a civil war within the Democratic Party.

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I'm trying to see where exactly it has occurred. True he benefitted tremendously from the anyone but Hillary Democratic vote but in terms of igniting a civil war I disagree. Democratic politicians are solidly behind Hillary and Sanders has already declared that he will return to the Senate as an independent.

I don't really see the Bernie bros as a threat to Democratic hierarchy. In terms of Sanders most don't see him as a true Democrat either. It will be difficult to upend the party if that continues to be the case.

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Will they be like the Tea Party?

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Most of his supporters are women.

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FTFY.

of course, i'm pretty sure actual "bernie bros" are some kind of thing/meme/whatever, but yeah by and large the whole uber-lefty "appeals" nowadays tend to be emotional appeals more than anything else, so that's always part-n-parcel with women/womyn/[something PC and gender neutral]

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I also saw something which stated that most of his supporters also don't typically vote Democratic either. It's difficult to lead a revolution if that's the case.

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"Bernie bros" was an attempt by Hillary supporters to paint the oft-vilified affluent white males as Bernie supporters when in fact, affluent white males support Hillary.

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Bernie hasn't been fighting against those people. He's been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it.

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I predict that it doesn't shift much outside of the standard stuff like lgbt issues.

What issues do you think become the Democratic platform?

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ok now i know you're trolling/doing-a-bit because i think that honest-to-god "hillary supporters" are about as real as santa claus wrestling the easter bunny for the WWE Universal Milky Way Interspecies Championship(TM) </jokesonlyspeepsorfrankdrebinwillget>

kidding aside, is there really genuinely some kind of demographic that is decidedly For-Hillary? in my practical/day-to-day experiences lately all the people i know who are gonna go for hillary go out of their way to tell me that they don't like her, but when you've got [boogeyman-caliber adjectives a la "mein fuhrer"] Trump "i have a kid and i fear for his future raising him in a Trump presidency" so they're going to pick "the lesser of two evils" and go with hillary. (once again there's those "emotional appeals" that i tend to get when i hear the raison d'etre for lefties/left-leaners rocking their vote)

indeed, outside of the ironically "token" votes that hillary will get for being the first legit female candidate for president, i personally can't think of any demographic off the top of my head who's seriously 100% "woohoo i want hillary!" from day one. technically i seem to remember hearing really really early on in the primary process (like b4 the iowa cauceses) that balck people tend to go for hillary (quite possibly something about leftover cred from the bill clinton administration?) but idk if bernie genuinely made inroads with the african american vote/rs somewhere between BLM grabbing the mic/podium during one of his early rallies and uncle bernie ultimately taking all of his $100mil+ and saying "yeah hey the movement against the establishment is going to need you to vote for that establishment real quick" a few weeks back.

did bernie genuinely fail to make inroads with the balck voters? or were they always pretty much going to go for (read: stick with) the clintons?

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Women and blacks over 40.

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Wall Street executives

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Older women, older blacks. Upper-middle-class whites around our age came out strong for Hillary. The social-justice left, wrongly considered the ne plus ultra of liberalism, was big on Hillary because she said "intersectionality" one time. I'm not joking. I wish I were. And of course, for all the talk of intersectionality and inclusion, the SJW movement is largely driven by kids from good families who went to good schools to get good jobs. Hillary's message of "everything is fine, let's not do anything rash here, but hey, let's hear it for gay people" resonates big with corporations and the people who work in them. That kind of social liberalism doesn't cost anyone anything. Look how many transgender people are homeless and/or suicidal. You could try to correct major structural inequalities in American society, or you could pull sponsors out of an NBA exhibition to show that Coca-Cola and Kia support the trans community. They can't get jobs or places to live, but at least they're welcome to drink a Coke.


Bernie was competitive among blacks outside the former Confederacy, despite what Nas and long time guy, the Chicago Fanatics Cranky Old Black Man Revue, would lead you to believe. He wouldn't have won Michigan without a decent showing from black voters. That being said, I will admit that it was a bit of a tactical error to present things like a living wage as anti-racist in and of itself, which it was, rather than pandering to individual identity groups as the Clintons do so well. Bernie was always a bit "take me as I am" to a fault. He was never gonna get up there and clap and sing along in a black church, he was just going to tell you that your wages were too low and he wanted them to be higher.

Speaking of the black church, I think religion was a big issue, and the DNC leaks confirm this as it was to be a plan of attack against him in West Virginia. As not only a Jew but a secular/agnostic one, he doubled down on damned with the A.M.E. types, and all the marching with Martin Luther King wasn't gonna fix that.

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I think it is a great strategy to build a party from the low level offices up. It takes time, determination and money but it definitely can be done. There are already low level candidates in office that would be considered part of the party

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The problem is that it is going to be tough to sell everyone on how horrible everything is now and how bad things are going to be soon. It worked during the Sanders campaign but when we get our girl Hillary in there and things are basically fine for another 4-8 years it kind of kills the momentum to make drastic changes.

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It's going to be some kind of progressive socialists party. They won't call it socialist

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Don't insult a man of Nas' ilk. Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and it's condescending to cavalierly discount the "Confederate" States. Actually Sanders did exactly the same thing as I recall. I will post his quasi racist quotes later.

If we are going to discount the Confederate black vote then we might as well discount the caucus vote too.

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Do you think Bernie is racist?

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I had to chuckle at CNBC this morning. They have two guests on to talk about the impact of Trump's recently announced tax plan- most notably his proposal to cut the corporate income tax rate to 15%. The guests are debating the merits of the plan. One of the studio hosts says they want to see more details on Trump's plan. Another host notes that Hillary has no plan for a corporate income tax cut and that even Obama has a plan for it. The other two studio hosts and one of the guests dispute that assertion.

A few minutes later, after looking through Hillary's plan, the skeptical studio hosts admit Hillary has no plan for a corporate income tax cut. "BUT WE DEMAND MORE DETAILS FROM TRUMP".

Neither of these goofs have a real plan to fix anything. It's the same old crap. Talk. No action.

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Well I did see a HRC commercial here yesterday that said she will raise taxes on the 1% and impose a exit tax on corps leaving the US. She will then use that money to create zillions of jobs. So there is that.

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Wouldn't go that far but the comments he made regarding the black southern vote was questionable.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... iqmWJEXxDA

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your opinion that things are fine is not the majority opinion. And in four years, the majority will be larger, no matter what. We are raising a society that expects to live like royalty. It's only going to get worse.

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Yes PM, the right leaning guest mentioned that.

The corporate tax regime in the U.S. is wholly uncompetitive. First we have a global rather than territorial system. Ironically that applies to U.S. citizens as well as I found out when I was supposed to work in London. Meaning, you pay taxes on your global earnings regardless of where they are earned. We are the only major country to do that. In addition, we have a rate far in excess of any other country. Here are the impacts:

-U.S. companies move offshore to avoid the penalty for being a U.S. domicile. Aon moved to London as an example.
-For companies that remain in the U.S., they keep their foreign earnings (cash) offshore because the U.S. tax applies when they repatriate those earnings (infinite deferral of the liability). So a company like Apple cannot access its cash earned overseas in the U.S.
-Companies spend endless wasted dollars trying to structure their earnings through places like Ireland.
-There is a significant drag on employment because of the tax regime. The incentive is to produce overseas and avoid bringing those profits back on shore.
-We have all sorts of complicated pass through structures to avoid corporate double taxation- LLC's, MPL's, S-Corps, REIT's, etc. None of it makes any sense.

Lots of misplaced activity to avoid the 39% average corporate tax rate.

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Why do you say that?

http://www.theharrispoll.com/health-and-life/2015_Happiness_Index.html
82% are generally happy with their life. 75% are optimistic about the future.

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I thought corporations on average pay about 12%. That corporate tax rate is meaningless.

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I guess that's a poll I don't believe.

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Life in America is certainly materialistically good, relatively speaking. However, if we continue to see the income gap grow like it has, it will reach a breaking point.

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It's actually 14%. Which is really low.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxe ... ate-taxes/

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