I didn't know the '64 Sox, but according to Baseball Reference, the Cubs starting rotation will have way more wins than them. Therefore, 2016 Cubs rotation > 1964 Sox rotation.

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That's arguable. Horlen in '64 is better than any Cub this year. I'll take Pizarro and Peters over the next two.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I really doubt the Cub rotation is going to have more than 72 wins.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Jenkins,Hands,Holtzman,Pappas-no 5th starter needed in 1970. When real athletes pitched.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

There's also the '54 Indians and the '86 Mets.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Horlen was very good and so was Peters. Pizzaro had a decent season here and there.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

He was really good in 1963-64.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Relative to the years they pitched, the Cubs' staff has outperformed them both...and any others. The 1986 Mets aren't really even close to the Cubs, or any of the other teams mentioned.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

They already have 62 with 43 games left. I think they'll get 10 in 43 games.

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They have that many? They probably will then. I didn't figure the rotation to have so many wins with 76 overall.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

61, actually... 60 between the 5 and 1 from Cahill.

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Lyin' leash at it again!

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Still a lot for 76 overall wins.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I'm thinking of cancelling my cable after the regular season. Playoffs are irrelevant.

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They will not meet or exceed a 9-1 playoff record.

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Starters didn't go 9-1 did they?

Off the top of my head, Games 2 and 3 of the World Series had relievers get the win.

EDIT: I guess they did. Good work Frank. For some reason I though a reliever got the win in Game 3 of the ALDS.

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9 + 2 = 11

Starters went 3-0 against Boston, 4-1 against Anaheim, 2-0 against Houston.

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So since you believe wins are the most important starter stat then you would agree that this years cubs is the best starting rotation?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

7 pages to say it don't mean a fuck

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Spot start?

No problem...just start spinning a no-hitter at Coors.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Awful staff according to PWARP. Lackey is their best guy and he's only 35th overall. Terrible.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I don't even know what stats are real anymore. Is PWARP a thing?

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http://m.mlb.com/news/article/200908344 ... revention/

And no Hank, PWARP is JORR's rough attempt and entering the statistical arena.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Yep. Chris Sale is having one of the greatest years ever. He has given up 18 extra runs due to poor pitch framing. Historic.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Terrible pitching being saved by great defense.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

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Uh huh.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Suddenly advanced stats don't count.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

This can't be real.

Quintana must lead the league in pBLK then.

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You are correct in that "advanced statistics" that no one uses do not count. Baseball Prospectus can try to push whatever they want since they feel left behind by Baseball Reference and Fangraphs. It doesn't mean it will take if the advanced statistics represent nothing and haven't been found to be successful in analyzing past performance or predicting future performance.

You sound a lot more intelligent about advanced statistics if you never talked about advanced statistics.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.