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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:25 pm 
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So Reagan didn't know that they were converting this stuff into mustard gas anthrax and the like? No way. These articles are very specific. Reagan even had one of our CIA front companies in Chile on deck as a way of disguising the role of the U.S. It was well known during the 80's that Iraq was using this "stuff" against Iran. We were supplying them with it. They were our allies then so it didn't matter much what they were doing because Saddam was our "asshole"

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So Reagan didn't know that they were using converting this stuff into mustard gas anthrax and the like? No way. These articles are very specific. Reagan even had a one of the classic CIA dummy front companies in Chile on deck as a way of disguising the role of the U.S. It was well known during the 80's that Iraq was using this "stuff" against Iran. We were supplying them with it. They were our allies then so it didn't matter much what they were doing because Saddam was our "asshole"


Stop confusing the subject.

You said Reagan sold them chemical weapons meaning the stuff was weaponized and ready to use in combat. That wasn't true.

But, yes, your above statement is true.


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So Reagan didn't know that they were using converting this stuff into mustard gas anthrax and the like? No way. These articles are very specific. Reagan even had a one of the classic CIA dummy front companies in Chile on deck as a way of disguising the role of the U.S. It was well known during the 80's that Iraq was using this "stuff" against Iran. We were supplying them with it. They were our allies then so it didn't matter much what they were doing because Saddam was our "asshole"


Stop confusing the subject.

You said Reagan sold them chemical weapons meaning the stuff was weaponized and ready to use in combat. That wasn't true.

But, yes, your above statement is true.


On semantics you are right.

Could that stuff even being transported as a weapon though? Would it even make it over from South America as a weapon or would it have to be converted over in Iraq in order to be used effectively? Don't the conditions have to be right for the storage of chemical weapons?

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So Reagan didn't know that they were using converting this stuff into mustard gas anthrax and the like? No way. These articles are very specific. Reagan even had a one of the classic CIA dummy front companies in Chile on deck as a way of disguising the role of the U.S. It was well known during the 80's that Iraq was using this "stuff" against Iran. We were supplying them with it. They were our allies then so it didn't matter much what they were doing because Saddam was our "asshole"


Stop confusing the subject.

You said Reagan sold them chemical weapons meaning the stuff was weaponized and ready to use in combat. That wasn't true.

But, yes, your above statement is true.


On semantics you are right.

Could that stuff even being transported as a weapon though? Would it even make it over from South America as a weapon or would it have to be converted over in Iraq in order to be used effectively? Don't the conditions have to be right for the storage of chemical weapons?


German companies sold Iraq the industrial capability to mass produce it. The other questions I have no idea.


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Remember when this wasn't a ransom...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ?cid=sm_tw

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Remember when this wasn't a ransom...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ?cid=sm_tw


Bury it on an otherwise busy day. Classic.

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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.

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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.


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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.


Stand Up Long Time Guy. :lol:


When will he apologize to Some Guy?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.


Stand Up Long Time Guy. :lol:


When will he apologize to Some Guy?


Apologies to Someguy.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.


Stand Up Long Time Guy. :lol:


When will he apologize to Some Guy?


Apologies to Someguy.


:lol: I was only kidding. Fuck Someguy.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.



Oops. Knew I should not have trusted the word of Obama.


Stand Up Long Time Guy. :lol:


When will he apologize to Some Guy?


Apologies to Someguy.


:lol: I was only kidding. Fuck Someguy.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Reagan had a history of doing exactly the same thing. Not letting Obama off the hook but at least he paid Iran with money that was owed to Iran.

I really don't understand why he just didn't admit it initially.

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Reagan had a history of doing exactly the same thing. Not letting Obama off the hook but at least he paid Iran with money that was owed to Iran.

I really don't understand why he just didn't admit it initially.



Because it looks terrible. The U.S. has a long time policy of not negotiating for hostages. As for any money "owed" to Iran, I think that debt ended when they stormed our embassy. Let them take it to The Hague. But it's nice that we could fund terror against ourselves one more time.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Reagan had a history of doing exactly the same thing. Not letting Obama off the hook but at least he paid Iran with money that was owed to Iran.

I really don't understand why he just didn't admit it initially.



Because it looks terrible. The U.S. has a long time policy of not negotiating for hostages. As for any money "owed" to Iran, I think that debt ended when they stormed our embassy. Let them take it to The Hague. But it's nice that we could fund terror against ourselves one more time.


The debt began when they stormed our embassy, we froze all assets, and didn't deliver the warplanes they paid for.

They did take it to the Hague.

By all accounts the Iran-US claims tribunal was going to deliver a binding verdict for much more than $400B.

Of course we should have just told them to go screw.

But pussy Reagan allowed this tribunal to be set up and be binding.

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By all accounts the Iran-US claims tribunal was going to deliver a binding verdict for much more than $400B.



Maybe. Who really knows? That definitely became the U.S. narrative when Obama decided to pay a portion of it for hostages.

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By all accounts the Iran-US claims tribunal was going to deliver a binding verdict for much more than $400B.



Maybe. Who really knows? That definitely became the U.S. narrative when Obama decided to pay a portion of it for hostages.


That's true. It's all bullshit.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Reagan had a history of doing exactly the same thing. Not letting Obama off the hook but at least he paid Iran with money that was owed to Iran.

I really don't understand why he just didn't admit it initially.



Because it looks terrible. The U.S. has a long time policy of not negotiating for hostages. As for any money "owed" to Iran, I think that debt ended when they stormed our embassy. Let them take it to The Hague. But it's nice that we could fund terror against ourselves one more time.


That long time policy was disavowed numerous times throughout history though. That money was owed to Iran which makes it different than funding terror.

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That money was owed to Iran which makes it different than funding terror.


:lol: Okay.

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How would Iran collect? I guess they could use an agency and threaten our credit rating.

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How would Iran collect? I guess they could use an agency and threaten our credit rating.

:lol:

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That money was owed to Iran which makes it different than funding terror.


:lol: Okay.


Funding terrorism abroad is okay.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:13 am 
You know who it looks horrible to? People who want it to look horrible and people who can't put together a coherent sentence without the MSM telling them what to think.

You know what was held for ransom? The 400 million. Contrary to what people like SomeGuy and PittMike think, we can't as a nation just do whatever the fuck we want and give the rest of the world the finger. We settled for pennies on the dollar (or goats or whatever Iran uses as currency) and owed them 400 million. BHO et all said "hey guess what? We ain't gonna pay it unless you fork over our guys". Actually it's quite a shrewd move.

And it's nothing like Saint Ronald of Trickle selling Iran weapons for hostages in a deal he set up before he was even elected.


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You know who it looks horrible to? People who want it to look horrible and people who can't put together a coherent sentence without the MSM telling them what to think.

You know what was held for ransom? The 400 million. Contrary to what people like SomeGuy and PittMike think, we can't as a nation just do whatever the fuck we want and give the rest of the world the finger. We settled for pennies on the dollar (or goats or whatever Iran uses as currency) and owed them 400 million. BHO et all said "hey guess what? We ain't gonna pay it unless you fork over our guys". Actually it's quite a shrewd move.

And it's nothing like Saint Ronald of Trickle selling Iran weapons for hostages in a deal he set up before he was even elected.

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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.


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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.

:lol:

You look like the biggest dumbass right now.


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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.

:lol:

You look like the biggest dumbass right now.


Well, maybe not the biggest...

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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.

:lol:

You look like the biggest dumbass right now.


Well, maybe not the biggest...


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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.

:lol:

You look like the biggest dumbass right now.


Well, maybe not the biggest...


DONT PISS ME OFF


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:04 am 
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I know SomeGuy. Hearing sanity hurts for you. One day at a time my friend. One day at a time.

:lol:

You look like the biggest dumbass right now.

Tell me what is incorrect and I will be more than happy to admit I was wrong. Otherwise you are just being a psycho ;-)


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