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A military page I follow on FB posted this. It's a real slide from a real briefing. :lol:


David P. is a threat? Wow.

But hey, according to our government (who has openly stated that they want to regulate the 1st and 2nd amendments) any veteran that is pro-Constitution/Bill of Rights and openly questions the status-quo is a threat and should be watched closely.

Everything is fine, though.


Not trying to make a judgment of relative badness between what Clinton did and what General Dave did, but he took classified
documents from a secured facility and gave them to his lover so she could use them as source material for her writing.

When I take the annual refresher training to keep my security clearance active, that's on the "Don't-Bee" list not the "Do-Bee"
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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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not a Hillary fan, but the look on her face when she loses it and is trying to maintain? :( for her


She has no clue where she is and no clue what's going on. Sad in a general sense but she sucks so fuck her.

Our country is totally fucked if she even sniffs the White House again. Barry ISIS was bad enough but really ????


I haven't quite figured out how the Tweeting Racist is necessarily the better choice.

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Barry ISIS? That's weak shit, Scooter.

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Barry ISIS? That's weak shit, Scooter.


Well, he sorta arm and fund them, right?


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Barry ISIS? That's weak shit, Scooter.


Well, he sorta arm and fund them, right?

He's killed a shit ton of Muslims. I think that's about the only thing him and ISIS have in common.

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I'll gladly take another 4 years of President Obama over hrc17@ or tweeting racist Trump

Dubya gave birth to ISIS:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... eated-isis

ISIS will be wiped out of Iraq, at least in terms of territory under ISIS control, by the time President Obama leaves office In January:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... story.html

and Obama did it with minimal US troops.


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Anyone who says "Barry ISIS" probably deserves to have their beagle drop kicked.

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Anyone who says "Barry ISIS" probably deserves to have their beagle drop kicked.

I know a guy who runs a coffee shop in Des Plaines named Nick Bariaisis.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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Anyone who says "Barry ISIS" probably deserves to have their beagle drop kicked.


You almost have to feel sorry for somebody who clearly is devoid of any critical thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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I'll gladly take another 4 years of President Obama over hrc17@ or tweeting racist Trump

Dubya gave birth to ISIS:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... eated-isis

ISIS will be wiped out of Iraq, at least in terms of territory under ISIS control, by the time President Obama leaves office In January:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... story.html

and Obama did it with minimal US troops.


Is that "progress" taking into account the revelations that the administration grossly overstated (lied) the progress being made against them?

And what do you think happened to all the weapons and cash that was given to the "moderate" ( :lol: ) and "well vetted" ( :lol: ) rebel groups in Syria? Not taking into account the caches of weapons and ammo that were just, LITERALLY, dropped into the desert.

As for troop levels, authorized levels are now approaching 10,000 which is around the number that were stationed there before the SoFA was tossed into the can.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?

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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.


It's how our current system works. I think once you get to the presidential level large donors aren't necessarily getting favors. Some people are willing to pay just for a picture and something to brag about to their friends.

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 Post subject: Re: Hillary's Health
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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.



It's already been expressed by several Hillary supporters in this forum that they are fine with quid pro quo as long as it is somewhat subtle and indirect rather than brazen and straight forward the way Blago did it. I think ltg basically said, "Catch her".

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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.



It's already been expressed by several Hillary supporters in this forum that they are fine with quid pro quo as long as it is somewhat subtle and indirect rather than brazen and straight forward the way Blago did it. I think ltg basically said, "Catch her".


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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.


It's how our current system works. I think once you get to the presidential level large donors aren't necessarily getting favors. Some people are willing to pay just for a picture and something to brag about to their friends.


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This happens everywhere in life. If I do something helpful for you today I can call you in the future and you'll be willing to listen and may help me out.


That's great for private businessmen like us. It's not when you're a "public servant". "Public servant" usually means someone who is serving his or herself the public's money with both hands.

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That's a very enlightened moth.


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Tall Midget wrote:
Nas wrote:
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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.



It's already been expressed by several Hillary supporters in this forum that they are fine with quid pro quo as long as it is somewhat subtle and indirect rather than brazen and straight forward the way Blago did it. I think ltg basically said, "Catch her".


This happens everywhere in life. If I do something helpful for you today I can call you in the future and you'll be willing to listen and may help me out.


Come on, Nas. Being aware that something happens and being ok with it are two different things.

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Obama bears responsibility for helping extend instability in the region; at least short term that's been a huge negative. Who knows what the long-term outcome of Arab spring will be.

And I don't think anyone anticipated ISIS coming together and taking over Iraq as quickly as they did once Obama drew down our troops. ISIS is being run by ex Iraqi military head honchos who saw Saddam Hussein take and keep power via inhumane brutality and violence, so it does parse more readily in retrospect

Obama hasn't gone back in with near the force I think you might've seen a Cheney-Halliburton strategy deploy. That seems to be working, at least for now. Going by the Wash Post dissection of the pending tribal/religious/etc conflicts that have been temporarily put on hold to take out ISIS--the real fun starts once ISIS disbands/dissolves/retreats-to-reform and those guys go join up with or form another movement to continue fighting the Kurds and Shia.

The Obama Administration's strange dance with Iran feels like a throwback to Nixon-Kissinger-Carter administration balance of power foreign relations--enlist Iran (90%+ Shia) to balance out the Sunni Saudis. I think fracking and the shale oil supply flowing steadily in the US puts us in a better position to piss off the Saudis with our Iran overtures than we were back then.


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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.



It's already been expressed by several Hillary supporters in this forum that they are fine with quid pro quo as long as it is somewhat subtle and indirect rather than brazen and straight forward the way Blago did it. I think ltg basically said, "Catch her".


This happens everywhere in life. If I do something helpful for you today I can call you in the future and you'll be willing to listen and may help me out.

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I can see the bad that can come from it but I think sometimes we act like politicians are supposed to be Jesus Robot. Without a public finance system that bans private money (I believe FDR proposed this) and term limits I really don't expect to see anything different.

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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


That's our current system. If I raise $100k for your campaign I'm going to get a meeting with you. You may just shake my hand and give me a bumper sticker but that meeting will happen.


And you are OK with this?

Anyone who thinks that the "generosity" of large donors isn't somehow reciprocated by the recipients of that largesse has the IQ of a moth.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-appears-to-have-donated-100000-to-the-clinton-foundation-2016-8Draw your own conclusions you're a big boy!

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This stuff with the Clinton Foundation is for real. This was always the thing that I believed could derail her. More than Emails and Benghazi. If any policy has been changed or altered because of contributions then she should bow out. If it is found that contributions merely got donors a meeting then that's not much to complain about.


Say what? You're OK with a pay-for-access political system?


Well the Marines have long been an arm of corporate America, and every Presidential "focus/study/planning" group of the last 100 yrs has worked under that system. I don't believe her choices would be ruinous or nearly as problematic in comparison w/the best of that history.

I firmly believe there is little if anything that can be done to practically end the system, I think it's naturally built in, except if (as under republicans) it means rolling blackouts, irrational farm subsidies or military related companies running amok. Or amoral use of our military :wink:

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[quote="Walt Williams Neck"donald-trump-appears-to-have-donated-100000-to-the-clinton-foundation-2016-8[/url]Draw your own conclusions you're a big boy![/quote]

I love how this is lost amidst all the media hand wringing & false hysteria

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