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If the white working class were truly as concerned about economic issues they wouldn't support Trump.


Who are they going to support? The sneering elitist Hillary Clinton? I don't have an issue with you supporting Clinton. She's probably a marginally better choice than Trump. But your position actually seems to be that she is a great choice for president. This is a stick a gun in your mouth vote.


She without a doubt is a SIGNIFICANTLY better choice than Trump.

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Wasn't Trump a Clinton supporter at that time anyway? :lol:

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If the white working class were truly as concerned about economic issues they wouldn't support Trump.


Who are they going to support? The sneering elitist Hillary Clinton? I don't have an issue with you supporting Clinton. She's probably a marginally better choice than Trump. But your position actually seems to be that she is a great choice for president. This is a stick a gun in your mouth vote.


She without a doubt is a SIGNIFICANTLY better choice than Trump.


I wouldn't say that. In four years you aren't likely to notice the difference no matter which one is elected. Neither is going to radically alter anything. Trump will say a lot more stupid shit.

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I wouldn't say that. In four years you aren't likely to notice the difference no matter which one is elected. Neither is going to radically alter anything. Trump will say a lot more stupid shit.
This seems accurate now that Trump is making his move towards the center of the political spectrum.

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I wouldn't say that. In four years you aren't likely to notice the difference no matter which one is elected. Neither is going to radically alter anything. Trump will say a lot more stupid shit.
This seems accurate now that Trump is making his move towards the center of the political spectrum.


That's good for rich guys like us!

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So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.

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So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html


I think it's also great when she hip hops into a "Black Church" in the South or wherever and starts jive talking to them, she's mocking them, talking down to them making fun of them right out in the open.

It's like she does it just for kicks.

What a sick fucking woman.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html



Yes I remember South Carolina and no I don't think she is as racist as Trump. He evokes images of George Wallace. The guy lost a racial discrimination suit. Does she have that on her books?


The Hillary hatred is going to an all new level

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html



Yes I remember South Carolina and no I don't think she is as racist as Trump. He evokes images of George Wallace. The guy lost a racial discrimination suit. Does she have that on her books?


The Hillary hatred is going to an all new level


Not hatred, just reality.

You on the other hand are a full blown ClintonBot that blames the last financial collapse on poor people and "investors." Thought the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the full unchaining of financial chicanery was a super awesome great thing especially for the middle-class...among other things. You also think a Secretary of State using her position to personally enrich herself and perform complete pay for play is just a great thing for all, as well.

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long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html



Yes I remember South Carolina and no I don't think she is as racist as Trump. He evokes images of George Wallace. The guy lost a racial discrimination suit. Does she have that on her books?


The Hillary hatred is going to an all new level


Come on. Trump is nothing like George Wallace. Wallace's platform was racism. Hillary is a horrible person and a criminal. She deserves as much contempt as Trump. Maybe more. The biggest problem with Hillary right now is that Trump is the only other option and he isn't very bright and he talks like a lunatic.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html


I think it's also great when she hip hops into a "Black Church" in the South or wherever and starts jive talking to them, she's mocking them, talking down to them making fun of them right out in the open.

It's like she does it just for kicks.

What a sick fucking woman.



And "My African American"or "The Blacks" isn't that sickening. What about blacks counting his money or placing "C" on residential applications? How about calling for the death penalty even after defendants have been acquitted? What about refusing to even meet with black leaders? How about never placing an African American in an executive position at any of his companies? What do you think about his telling blacks to leave the floor when he and Ivana enter his casino? How about his refusal to allow blacks into beauty contests that he was a part of?

The worst thing about racism is when people choose to ignore it. False equivocations are almost as bad. There hasn't been one comment about Trump's overt racism. Yeah let's focus on Hillary's inferred or implies racism instead.

Absolutely disgusting. Once again it is quite telling.

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Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.

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SomeGuy wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So politifact is wrong and ltg is right? You should start a website.

Others may have picked it up but Clinton supporters started it as Clinton basically stood by saying virtually nothing besides "I didn't tell anyone to say that!".



Even if it was a supporter that started it isn't wasn't her and it is markedly different from what Trump did. The fact that people are on here attempting to disassociate Trump from racism is frightening. Once again it suggests quite a bit.


Do you really think Hillary isn't as racist as Trump? Have you forgotten South Carolina in 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-ruc ... 12004.html



Yes I remember South Carolina and no I don't think she is as racist as Trump. He evokes images of George Wallace. The guy lost a racial discrimination suit. Does she have that on her books?


The Hillary hatred is going to an all new level


Not hatred, just reality.

You on the other hand are a full blown ClintonBot that blames the last financial collapse on poor people and "investors." Thought the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the full unchaining of financial chicanery was a super awesome great thing especially for the middle-class...among other things. You also think a Secretary of State using her position to personally enrich herself and perform complete pay for play is just a great thing for all, as well.

You gotta get yo' hard-drive checked, mayne, you got some bad sectors in ya'!


You are lying about pay for play and I never have heard you say much negative about anything Trump related. You either ignore or place the focus on me or Hillary Clinton. Your credibility is thus shot to hell.

On the racism issue there really isn't much of a defense since Trump wants the world to know he is one. Its quite telling and also ominous. I'm not going to argue the Hillary stuff because this about Trump.

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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


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Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.


Don't worry as it won't stop that crowd. Next she will have founded the KKK and been the author of Jim Crow Laws. Did they also state that she was the judge during Plessy v Ferguson? She also wrote the provision in the 3/5ths clause as well as each provision in the Missouri Compromise. She also was a fierce opponent of Reconstruction too. Damn that Hillary sure does get around.

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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


Quote:
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.


Don't worry as it won't stop that crowd. Next she will have founded the KKK and been the author of Jim Crow Laws. Did they also state that she was the judge during Plessy v Ferguson? She also wrote the provision in the 3/5ths clause as well as each provision in the Missouri Compromise. She also was a fierce opponent of Reconstruction too. Damn that Hillary sure does get around.


I'm sure she would have done all those things if she had been around it it was politically expedient for her.

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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


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Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.
She didn't start it. Her supporters did and she didn't really do anything to stop them from doing it.

She's pretty good at avoiding a paper trail.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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GoldenJet wrote:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


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Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.


Don't worry as it won't stop that crowd. Next she will have founded the KKK and been the author of Jim Crow Laws. Did they also state that she was the judge during Plessy v Ferguson? She also wrote the provision in the 3/5ths clause as well as each provision in the Missouri Compromise. She also was a fierce opponent of Reconstruction too. Damn that Hillary sure does get around.


I'm sure she would have done all those things if she had been around it it was politically expedient for her.


Given her omnipotent nature how do you know that she wasn't?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


Quote:
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.
She didn't start it. Her supporters did and she didn't really do anything to stop them from doing it.

She's pretty good at avoiding a paper trail.


Did she

A. Demand a birth certificate?

B. State that she could produce evidence that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama born here?

C. State that she has 100 PIs on the case?

Her failure to quiet a few kooks proves that she was a part of the conspiracy. OK I get it.

Either you 3 are
A. trolling

B. In denial about Trump's racism or

C. Choose to simply deny it.

In any event it's sickening.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


Quote:
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.
She didn't start it. Her supporters did and she didn't really do anything to stop them from doing it.

She's pretty good at avoiding a paper trail.


Did she

A. Demand a birth certificate?

B. State that she could produce evidence that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama born here?

C. State that she has 100 PIs on the case?

Her failure to quiet a few kooks proves that she was a part of the conspiracy. OK I get it.

Either you 3 are
A. trolling

B. In denial about Trump's racism or

C. Choose to simply deny it.

In any event it's sickening.
I don't care about Trump in this. I'm pointing out that her supporters are where it started and Hillary did virtually nothing to tell them to stop it. Trumps a racist. Everyone knows he is a racist.

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How could anyone possibly believe at this point that Hillary Clinton wouldn't do or say anything to get elected? How could anyone trust her? I think most people don't. The only reason she stands a chance is because of the goof who is running against her.

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How could anyone possibly believe at this point that Hillary Clinton wouldn't do or say anything to get elected? How could anyone trust her? I think most people don't. The only reason she stands a chance is because of the goof who is running against her.

This sums up the election.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/


Quote:
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”


So, no, HRC was not the original source of the birther movement...nor did she perpetuate it. That was left to the Right, if you will.
She didn't start it. Her supporters did and she didn't really do anything to stop them from doing it.

She's pretty good at avoiding a paper trail.


Did she

A. Demand a birth certificate?

B. State that she could produce evidence that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama born here?

C. State that she has 100 PIs on the case?

Her failure to quiet a few kooks proves that she was a part of the conspiracy. OK I get it.

Either you 3 are
A. trolling

B. In denial about Trump's racism or

C. Choose to simply deny it.

In any event it's sickening.
I don't care about Trump in this. I'm pointing out that her supporters are where it started and Hillary did virtually nothing to tell them to stop it. Trumps a racist. Everyone knows he is a racist.


Yeah and Obama really leapt up to denounce Jeremiah Wright for the comments that he made about her didn't he? Or did he say something to the effect of no more denounce him than denounce his own father? I'm also sure you believed him when he stated that he'd never heard Wright talk like that either.

I really don't know what your point is to be honest. If you are trying to suggest that she was part of the birthed movement you'd be incorrect.

If you are trying to use it as a deflection which I suspect, then it's troublesome.

It can't simply be oh yeah Trump's a racist and everyone knows it oh well. This isn't Elmhurst Steve. This is a guy that has a chance to be President and the cavalier way in which his xenophobia and racism is being viewed suggests quite a bit about this country.

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It cuts both ways though. If the Democrats had nominated a better candidate we wouldn't need to worry about Trump.

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It's OK for Hillary to be a racist because she has a capital D in front of her name.

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How could anyone possibly believe at this point that Hillary Clinton wouldn't do or say anything to get elected? How could anyone trust her? I think most people don't. The only reason she stands a chance is because of the goof who is running against her.



You trust Trump more?

Republicans should have nominated a better candidate if they didn't want to see the goof. This was predicted by anyone that knows anything about politics. He didn't become a goof overnight. There were far better choices running in the primaries but they were fed up remember.

As far as saying anything to get elected they all do it even your main Lincoln Chafee. He switched political parties for Christ sakes. That really demonstrated a strength in his convictions.

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As far as saying anything to get elected they all do it even your main Lincoln Chafee. He switched political parties for Christ sakes. That really demonstrated a strength in his convictions.


Did you exit the womb as a registered Democrat?

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It's OK for Hillary to be a racist because she has a capital D in front of her name.


Do you have proof of it?

This dude has a judgment against him and it hasn't been referenced by you or anyone else that keeps defending him.

I'm really beginning to think that Hillary turned down a few posters prom date request. This is getting beyond scary the level of hatred.

If people were so opposed to seeing her be President then they should have put forward a better candidate.

The fly by night politicians weren't going to win. Everyone was so convinced that this was a change election. That is their fault. I'm sorry the country at large can't see what a disaster she is.

Trump was the same fool last yr around this time yet he was lauded for being an outsider. Same racist idiot who didn't have a clue. No one complained then so they have to take their lumps now.

In honor of Trump and his supporters I bid adieu (at least for now). But before I go I leave you with this classic from yesteryear. Pretty much some up the angst that you feel now.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... o36IsVNCbA

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I really don't know what your point is to be honest. If you are trying to suggest that she was part of the birthed movement you'd be incorrect.
You know my point. She was more than happy to let it happen and play the "I know nothing" card about it. That was because it could help her win because as much as you may disagree there are Democrats who would also have been scared by it.

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