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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:26 am 
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It's still cheaper to put someone in prison for life than to give the death sentence.
But at least with life in prison I'm not responsible for murder.
You know, Nas, I would have thought you'd be much more sensitive to the potential for prosecutor or investigative misconduct than you are. There's a lot of confessions that were tortured out of people right here in the great land of Chicago and fabricated evidence and of course, my favorite, exculpatory evidence ignored by prosecutors and hidden from defense attorneys.
One innocent executed is reason enough to me to suspend forever the death sentence.


There are innocent people who spend the rest of their lives in prison being tortured. Are you also coming out against long prison sentences? In my world there are some crimes that deserve the death penalty.

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It's still cheaper to put someone in prison for life than to give the death sentence.
But at least with life in prison I'm not responsible for murder.
You know, Nas, I would have thought you'd be much more sensitive to the potential for prosecutor or investigative misconduct than you are. There's a lot of confessions that were tortured out of people right here in the great land of Chicago and fabricated evidence and of course, my favorite, exculpatory evidence ignored by prosecutors and hidden from defense attorneys.
One innocent executed is reason enough to me to suspend forever the death sentence.


There are innocent people who spend the rest of their lives in prison being tortured. Are you also coming out against long prison sentences? In my world there are some crimes that deserve the death penalty.

If someone is falsely accused of a crime and gets life... and it turns out they were falsely accused at least they can still be let out and Sue the shit out of someone. Kind of hard to return freedom to someone you killed.
I'm having a difficult time equating prison with "torture" .

When people are a threat to others and society they need to be removed from society.

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Solitary confinement is torture and should be outlawed. I'm fine with life in prison for some crimes.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:33 am 
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MANY falsely accused aren't released. We've all seen how hard it is to release the falsely accused when the evidence is clear.

Spending 23 hours in a cell daily for decades is psychological torture. MANY experts have agreed on this. You're okay with torturing someone until they die but you don't want to kill them somewhat immediately.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:35 am 
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MANY falsely accused aren't released. We've all seen how hard it is to release the falsely accused when the evidence is clear.

Spending 23 hours in a cell daily for decades is psychological torture. MANY experts have agreed on this. You're okay with torturing someone until they die but you don't want to kill them somewhat immediately.

I don't want to kill anybody at all. There's no reason to kill someone who isn't an immediate threat to you or your family.
I don't recall this conversation being about solitary confinement but I'll allow that solitary is a bit odd and in most cases unnecessary unless the inmate is an immediate threat to other inmates.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:44 am 
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MANY if not all the prisoners who would otherwise be put to death spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement. That's the alternative to the death penalty.

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Nas wrote:
MANY if not all the prisoners who would otherwise be put to death spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement. That's the alternative to the death penalty.

Solitary confinement is an issue, but I don't think this is true.

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MANY if not all the prisoners who would otherwise be put to death spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement. That's the alternative to the death penalty.

They do? I didn't know that. Where's the numbers on that? (Seriously interested)
I'd say that there's no doubt that our corrections need some reforms. But I don't see the faults in our prison system justifying killing convicts.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:57 am 
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Our peers on the death penalty are places like Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. I believe we are the only Western country to still perform the barbaric practice.

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Our peers on the death penalty are places like Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. I believe we are the only Western country to still perform the barbaric practice.




Cmon man, S.A. chops peoples hands off for stealing, stones women for adultery and N.K. feeds people to dogs and tests military grade missiles on people.

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Our peers on the death penalty are places like Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. I believe we are the only Western country to still perform the barbaric practice.




Cmon man, S.A. chops peoples hands off for stealing, stones women for adultery and N.K. feeds people to dogs and tests military grade missiles on people.

Yes, they are worse than us. Doesn't change what I wrote.

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N.K. feeds people to dogs and tests military grade missiles on people.

Hey dumby dog was hungry and how else we no if missile work?
So stupid American.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:27 am 
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My guess would be the guy was grooming this for months.


I agree


Wrong


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Nas wrote:
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My guess would be the guy was grooming this for months.


I agree


Wrong


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... bbfaea532b



Well that's certainty a dumb thing to admit.

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Ugh...can't believe I wandered back into this thread...Fuck

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Yep, now that I know she didn't do it for money, but for personal gratification, that totally changes what I said earlier in the thread. She needs to be rehabilitated. Then once she is deemed safe and of sound mind, she can be dropped into the middle of a beautiful New Mexico desert next July and let the vultures ravage the everloving shit out of that Caller Bob.

Michelle Martens deserves to die. Painfully and slowly.
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I don't believe in the death penalty, and I never will. However, if I did, she would be executionee zero... the prototype.

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Technically it wouldn't be capital punishment.
It would be a matter of survival of the fittest.
Win Win.

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2 sides to every story.

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nomination denied.


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This story is too painful for words.

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This story is too painful for words.

At least those of the 5 to 6 syllable variety.

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