Community policing is still communal empowerment of an individual or class to enforce the laws

I think abolitionists really want police. They just want their kind of police. After a while they will empower their police to oppress in similar ways. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Hey it definitely worked well for the neighborhood for MANY years.

Then nosy outsiders started sticking their noses where it didn't belong.

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I thought doing illegal things didn't necessarily mean you are doing bad things. In fact, some even say that is your duty to ignore laws you don't agree with!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The woman in the story said the same thing.

Do you have any support for that opinion?

Sheriffs were locking bad Pilgrims in stockades before the first African slave set foot in north America.

I'm happy to be educated if I am incorrect and it would clear ignorance on my part.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

This is likely true. People cannot avoid it.

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Elections have consequences.

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Thanks for holding down the fort until we get a more professional opinion from someone like psycory.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

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I'm not advocating abolishing the police, but I think you're setting your expectations a little too high. My house was burglarized about six months after I moved in. The police came to our house, so I could file a police report, and that was the last I heard from them. Another time I dropped my wallet and realized it about an hour or so later. I immediately called the police, and by the time they arrived I already found all the places it had been used, called the places up, and three places said while they couldn't give me the information directly, that they have the person's face clearly on security footage. When I relayed this to the officer when he finally arrived, he gave me the silly rabbit look. He seemed put out just taking the report. Granted, just having their face on camera wouldn't be incredibly helpful if they had no priors, but it still feels like it would have been worth at least taking a peek. At they very least, whoever found my wallet was amazingly efficient, charging a little under a grand at three different gas stations, Home Depot, Walmart, and Target, all within 90 minutes tops. The police don't seem to care about this stuff. I know, I should probably move.

I understand for a few reasons that it would be unlikely to be solved but I would expect them to do their best.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Let's tell people that an all powerful being in the sky is watching them at all times and will enforce eternal justice on them. That should keep everyone in line without the need for police

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

i do not condone the idea of abolishing the police. "Cops" is one of my favorite shows. And "Police Quest" was one of my favorite video games.

"Top Cops" in the late 80s/early 90s was similarly solid.

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People blame cops for making laws they dont like. That is how little the average American understands the legal system, which at this point much be intentional. Insulate the lawmakers by sewing ignorance into the lower classes and keep them hating some lunchpail cop making a middle class wage.

what about Police Trainer ? that was always fun to play, you'd start out trying to shoot from a distance then eventually just walk right up to the screen and shoot

That sounds a lot like the old "I'm just doing my job" excuse. Nobody ever said they were just doing their job when they were doing something moral.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Too be fair that is how it is spelled on the Curved Air albums he played on (pre-Police)...don't agree with Frank's take though

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

He'd have to do it post-humorlessly....

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Tooooooo be fair, neither do I ... asswipe to work with by all accounts though.
(Copeland, not Frank)

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I always thought Andy was probably the weak link in the group musicianship-wise but he's not at all. All 3 are superlative players .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

IIRC, after the passage of the Fugitive Slave Laws shortly after the birth of the nation, many groups were organized as slavecatching patrols(north & south), which later morphed/merged into formal police forces to also regulate the regular poor, wretched, huddled masses of "citizens". Thus another explosion in big government

As for further intellectual support, I could try, but I don't feel like starting an all-telling google search, sorry

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Sorry. Please instead regale us with stories of overnight lending rates.

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Tv in the 60's was wild. A gay man openly playing with a cop's gun. Oh the hidden laughs

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Agreed. Similarities to the mass land seizure conducted in post Apartheid South Africa and other sub Saharan African nations. People will always try to settle scores with the "other", right and wrong bedamned. The people pushing the abolish the police narrative would lead us down a road where Julie DiFatso has seal team cisgender kick down your door and grease you for pointing out her intellectual hypocrisy.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

It might be tempting for certain things, but I view it the same way as legalizing drugs...even if they were all legal, I don't think I'd start using them.

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I'd like to think the thought of going to prison is more of a deterrent to keep people from committing crimes than being scolded by his neighbors would be.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.