I don't want to abolish police, as I think the amount of crime they commit is exaggerated vs the good they do.

It is indisputable, however, that police are more of a mental deterrent to crime than they are a practical way to stop it, however. If a good number of people decided together that they would no longer obey any laws, police could not stop it. It is the social contract and our ability to socialize that prevents crime moreso than any actual police activity.

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The police have helped me a few times. They've also given me tickets, a few have been deserved.

I don't really understand what JORR thinks the world should look like or how it should be I don't want anybody taking my stuff either.

I think the point is that the abolition of police would have to be tied to some type of economic equalization. Once that happened only the really bad people like Boilermaker Rick would take advantage of the fact that armed Humvees were no longer cruising the streets and increase their criminal activities.

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I think this is largely right. I think that the police need to carry far fewer lethal weapons. And there should be fewer police forces. Every small town does not need a police department.

Another problem is that governments are struggling to balance budgets so they pass all types of laws to make ends meet, and the police have become their debt collecting force.

In my personal experience, I cannot think of a time that dealing with the police actually helped. Unless you are friends with them or an influencer, you are just another civilian. So it's up to you to fix your problems.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I think if it looked significantly better for MANY while looking marginally "worse" for you and me, that wouldn't be a bad trade off.

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So you believe if everybody had the same amount of stuff the world would be peacefully and everybody would be satisfied?

Marginally?

I'd certainly speed more, park where I want, not pay for things like car registration or other victimless crimes.

Then, when the neighbors knock on my door and say "Hey buddy, could you please not do those things?" I'd say "No".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't think everyone could ever have the exact same amount of stuff. That's like Nas and I arguing about a virtually non-existent "wage gap". Someone will always have more. The goal should be to stop putting such a value on "stuff".

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I don't really understand this. By almost all accounts, we live in one of the most well to do and safest societies in world history.

There are countries that are virtually lawless. Why aren't they the utopias you think would happen here?

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Obviously Muslims.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Your continued advocating for principles set forth and exhibited in the Acts of the Apostles is noteworthy and to be cheered for as well.

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You seem to be confusing the elimination of policing as you understand it with lawlessness. And how can it be that we're so "safe" when we have more people in prison than anyone? Is that why we are safe?

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Aren't you the same guy that said that everyone no matter how much money they have deserves to have Cubs season tickets if they so choose?

I may need to rethink wanting a $15 minimum wage. They don't need that much money because they'll just spend it on "stuff".

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Okay.

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I don't think so, but if you use the search I'm sure you can find the post in question and twist it to your satisfaction for purposes of this discussion.

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I'm not confusing them. Who would enforce these laws? Would it be the people with the biggest guns?

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It's hard to have this type of conversation with you because you have a lot of difficulty seeing how anything could ever be radically different than the way it has been within the places you have known in your thirty-some years on the planet.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

That is a cop out. It's a simple question. Who would enforce these laws?

When you advocate for something as radical as literally not having a police force and instead relying on your neighbors to mediate disputes it isn't on me to explain and understand it.

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I thought Luther got rid of that one as well.

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It's only "radical" because you've never lived without it. Maybe we wouldn't have guns at all. That isn't impossible, you know? Maybe if you stepped out of line all the neighbors would stone you like they did to Tess Hutchinson in "The Lottery". Is a heavily armed police force really the only thing stopping you from being a complete asshole and a criminal scumbag?

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Thank you for the answer.

So who makes sure that people don't get guns?

As for the stoning, I guess you want a bunch of George Zimmermans in every town giving out frontier justice on a whim and then no one is there to even tell them to stop unless they have bigger guns! Sign me up!

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that's a whole different can of worms / philosophical issue-- should policing be proactive/preventative or should it be reactive/punitive?

personally i'm going to go with reactive > proactive because of the whole concept of freedom, you know, whether or not it's my (divine?) right to go do some dumb illegal shit that props up the motto "don't do the crime if you can't do the time." when you start doing stuff like, say, reverse drug stings (cops set up shop as "drug dealers" and arrest a bunch of buyers, basically so they can get $1200+/each for the impounded cars in the hopes of making a quick ~$20k that day) i think that's a slippery slope heading into some kind of dystopia that likely hearkens orwell or huxley.

while people will cry about "actionable intelligence" and whatnot, i think arresting people for wanting to commit a crime is best served for large/r-scale stuff like terrorism, or trying to hire someone to kill your husband/wife; as opposed to, say, sweating some individual for petty shit like "let's make 20 grand off of taking cars away from junkies". freedom is a double edged sword in that while it gives you the ability to enjoy doing [whatever] it also means people are technically "free" to do illegal/heinous shit; such is the "cost of living" in a "free society" no? i guess the actual cost can be measured in the time gap between the instant something illegal happens and when the cops can get there.

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Let's get back to the wealthy IT guy and the dude that owns 2 Mercedes discussing how to best keep their property and person safe.

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Let Dr Ken pay for his own security .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I'm talking about Brick and JORR

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I'm not wealthy. I don't even have a man cave with multiple televisions.

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At least you aren't Terrible IT Guy.

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Thank God for that.

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