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Kevin Schnall still remembers the look on Tommy La Stella's face the day Coastal Carolina University coaches openly doubted his ability to play second base.

"We said, 'Tommy, with your range and your hands, we don't think you can do it,''' the school's hitting coach said. "And he became outstanding.''

Then there was the day before La Stella's final season at Coastal in 2011 when Schnall asked him to jot down some goals.

"I looked at the numbers he wrote down,'' said Schnall, who La Stella called the most influential coach of his career. "And I said, 'Tommy, that's great but I don't feel like these are attainable … and he came pretty damn close. He loved defying odds and proving people wrong.''


That is the driven overachiever Schnall recalls when he thinks of La Stella, the guy named Big South player of the year in 2011, not the pouty spoilsport who went home to New Jersey for three weeks after refusing the Cubs' minor-league assignment in July.

Why Cubs President Theo Epstein confirmed Monday plans to promote La Stella this week remains baffling. Who gets to come back to a good job after taking an unexcused three-week vacation? The Cubs figure to stay the best team in baseball with or without La Stella's lively left-handed bat off the bench. Their World Series hopes don't hinge on a part-time player hitting .295 before a demotion caused by a numbers game everybody but La Stella understood.

Adding a utility infielder who turned his back on teammates hardly creates the same ethical dilemma as, say, acquiring baseball's most feared relief pitcher with a troubled past. La Stella doesn't affect World Series aspirations to the degree Aroldis Chapman does, so it would be easier for the Cubs to just move on without the infielder and send an organizational-wide message about loyalty. That's what I would do. La Stella acted too selfishly for me to deserve a spot on a team full of selfless players poised to make history.

But the Cubs will let La Stella return, a conclusion team officials reached after private discussions they plan to keep that way. They have shown tremendous patience and the way they speak about the 27-year-old player privately implies his reaction involves something deeper. One team source called the situation "complicated.'' If any manager can deal with whatever distraction La Stella creates, it is Joe Maddon, a man who vows daily to do simple better.

For his part, La Stella has declined all interviews but would ingratiate himself quicker back in Chicago if he is as transparent as possible. Schnall declined to comment on La Stella's commitment to baseball, allowing only that his well-rounded former pupil loved the game but "doesn't have all his eggs in one basket.'' He has exchanged texts with his fellow New Jersey native and believes La Stella can overcome any doubts, which typically drive him.


"His intelligence, competitive and work ethic is infectious,'' Schnall said. "I want him in my foxhole. I'm from New Jersey so I can say this: Tommy is like that Italian guy who feels like everybody is against him. He thrives on that.''

Not always passionate about baseball, La Stella emerged as a prospect his senior year at St. Joseph Regional High School in Montvale, N.J. He became a walk-on at St. John’s, where he hoped hitting .320 as a freshman would allow the school to fulfill its pledge of a scholarship. When St. John’s didn’t, La Stella bolted for a better opportunity at Coastal Carolina, where he made a quick impression.

"The thing I appreciate now most about Tommy was you had to be prepared as a coach at practice because, if you weren't, he would call you out,'' Schnall said.

For example, La Stella often questioned coaches' strategy behind baserunning or defensive decisions. His intense conversations on hitting changed the way Schnall handled other players.

"Tommy was one of the first guys who developed a deeper understanding of high-level swing mechanics,'' Schnall said. "He forced me to be prepared to have dialogue on the field.''

La Stella was motivated even more after no team selected him in the 2010 amateur draft despite his hitting .375. After his numbers improved the following year, the Braves took him in the eighth round.

"I apologized on behalf of the industry that we missed him the previous year,'' Braves scout Billy Best said over the phone.

Best, who spotted La Stella at an open tryout in 2009, remembered a minor-leaguer with major-league confidence.

"Tommy always knew he could hit but it took others awhile to figure it out,'' Best said.

A rough start at Class A Rome (Ga.) hardly made it obvious. He initially struggled so badly that he told his parents not to come to games and stayed in his room on trips.

"I've never seen a kid in my life take it as hard as he did,'' Best said. "That's the way Tommy was, very emotional but a great kid with high highs, low lows.''

Based on his actions since July 27, that's the way La Stella still is — yet, for reasons hard for me to grasp, the Cubs will welcome him back anyway.

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Haugh is an idiot, of course he's welcome back, he's earned it..he never should have been sent down in the first place..all of this could gave been avoidable if Epstein or Hoyer told him" listen, I know it ain't right but just go put in 25 days in AAA for me and I get ya back up in September.

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all of this could gave been avoidable if Epstein or Hoyer told him" listen, I know it ain't right but just go put in 25 days in AAA for me and I get ya back up in September.


I have to believe that's exactly what they told him...do you think they said, "yeah, we think Coghlan is better than you, have fun in Iowa"? If they didn't try to explain the business aspect of it, then they would truly be idiots.

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They sign a domestic abuser and there's outcry about bringing back an insubordinate?

Pfft.

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Haugh is an idiot, of course he's welcome back, he's earned it..he never should have been sent down in the first place..all of this could gave been avoidable if Epstein or Hoyer told him" listen, I know it ain't right but just go put in 25 days in AAA for me and I get ya back up in September.


By all reports, this is exactly what happened and he still threw a temper tantrum.

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LaStella was just doing what he was allowed to do. It didn't even hurt the Cubs unlike what Theo did with Bryant which cost him millions of dollars with an undeserved demotion to the minors.

You can't get mad at LaStella without also being mad at Theo for what he did with Bryant. Both did what was in their best interest.

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You can't get mad at LaStella without also being mad at Theo for what he did with Bryant. Both did what was in their best interest.


Of course you can be mad at LaStella. He acted like a putz and possibly damaged his career in the process.

What does it have to do with Bryant? In both cases, the team was doing what it could to maximize their talent base for as long as possible.

Anyone mad at Theo for keeping Bryant down to gain the extra year of control and for sending LaStella down because he was the only man up that still had an option...you're an idiot.

Theo has done what is in the best interests of the team. Bryant played along and is in position to win an MVP in his second season. LaStella didn't play along and has nearly gotten bounced out of baseball. One player was smart...one, not so much.

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Theo has done what is in the best interests of the team.
LaStella did what was in the best interest of himself and it did not hurt the Cubs in the slightest. That is the point. Bryant was damaged by losing out on millions of dollars on his next contract based on the actions of the Cubs and Theo. LaStella damaged the Cubs how exactly?

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Haugh is an idiot


he once blocked me on twitter for calling him a dipshit =(

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Theo has done what is in the best interests of the team.
LaStella did what was in the best interest of himself and it did not hurt the Cubs in the slightest. That is the point. Bryant was damaged by losing out on millions of dollars on his next contract based on the actions of the Cubs and Theo. LaStella damaged the Cubs how exactly?


Bryant has lost no money on his next contract. He will still end up getting paid a ton of money for his last year of arbitration if he is one of the best players in baseball.


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Bryant has lost no money on his next contract. He will still end up getting paid a ton of money for his last year of arbitration if he is one of the best players in baseball.
Yes he did.

You don't think he'd make more money being a free agent rather than under Cubs control?

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Bryant has lost no money on his next contract. He will still end up getting paid a ton of money for his last year of arbitration if he is one of the best players in baseball.
Yes he did.

You don't think he'd make more money being a free agent rather than under Cubs control?


But his next contract will not be LESS because of his extra year with the Cubs. Unless that year he gets hurt. He will still be in his prime and get a 10 year deal north of $300M (assuming he continues his play to date).


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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Bryant has lost no money on his next contract. He will still end up getting paid a ton of money for his last year of arbitration if he is one of the best players in baseball.
Yes he did.

You don't think he'd make more money being a free agent rather than under Cubs control?


But his next contract will not be LESS because of his extra year with the Cubs. Unless that year he gets hurt. He will still be in his prime and get a 10 year deal north of $300M (assuming he continues his play to date).
No.

Assume he signs a 1 year deal as a free agent to keep things equal and then he signs the ten year deal. The 1 year deal will be much better than what he will get while under Cubs control because every team can have him. The price difference there is the money he lost by Theo sending him down to the minors. That's why they did it.

Of course his first free agent deal will be roughly the same(though he has slightly less value being a year older). He just has to wait a year and he'll have one less year in his career not playing with a deal with the max value.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Theo has done what is in the best interests of the team.
LaStella did what was in the best interest of himself and it did not hurt the Cubs in the slightest. That is the point. Bryant was damaged by losing out on millions of dollars on his next contract based on the actions of the Cubs and Theo. LaStella damaged the Cubs how exactly?


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Of course his first free agent deal will be roughly the same(though he has slightly less value being a year older). He just has to wait a year and he'll have one less year in his career not playing with a deal with the max value.


You proved my point.


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Seriously? :lol:

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Seriously? :lol:


Yes. You said he would lose millions on his next contract. Then you said his first FA contract (his next contract) would be the same.

You apparently cannot grasp that fact.

His career earning might be lower, but his next contract is not affected, as you claim.


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Well, as I pointed out, he would see a decrease based on the contract being one less year of him in his prime. So even your extremely literal attempt is wrong.

You agree he lost millions of dollars because of that move though so you agree with the overall point anyways.

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Well, as I pointed out, he would see a decrease based on the contract being one less year of him in his prime. So even your extremely literal attempt is wrong.

You agree he lost millions of dollars because of that move though so you agree with the overall point anyways.


His age will have zero affect on his next contract. He will not be 34 when he hits FA. You are an idiot.

Who knows what your overall point was since it was clearly not communicated properly.

Your underlying point is that you hate the Cubs, but that is nothing new.


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His age will have zero affect on his next contract. He will not be 34 when he hits FA. You are an idiot.
Of course it will. If you are signing a ten year deal how old you are in years 6-10 get taken into consideration. Whatever team signs him is getting one less year of him in his "prime". Do you really think they don't pay attention to that?

I know you are kind of embarrassed here but no reason to name call.

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His age will have zero affect on his next contract. He will not be 34 when he hits FA. You are an idiot.
Of course it will. If you are signing a ten year deal how old you are in years 6-10 get taken into consideration. Whatever team signs him is getting one less year of him in his "prime". Do you really think they don't pay attention to that?

I know you are kind of embarrassed here but no reason to name call.



He will be 30. No one will care what he does in the age 40 season. You aren't paying for that season. Just ask the Angels about Pujols, who they gave a 10 yr/ $240M deal at age 32. It's not like they would have given him more if he was 31?


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He will be 30. No one will care what he does in the age 40 season. You aren't paying for that season. Just ask the Angels about Pujols, who they gave a 10 yr/ $240M deal at age 32. It's not like they would have given him more if he was 31?
Are you that thick? He will be 30. A team will decide they believe his prime will be until he is X age(I'll say 34 just for discussion). They will value him a certain way for 30-34 and another way for 35-40. Now, take whatever those numbers are, and add his age 29 season and he gets more money.

The Angels also would have paid more for Pujols if he was a year younger.

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He's back and playing 2B today.


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He's back and playing 2B today.


Fan reaction will be interesting.

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maybe he can just call himself "Tommy DiStella" like he did when he was on the lam and nobody will be the wiser? =P

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LaStella was just doing what he was allowed to do. It didn't even hurt the Cubs unlike what Theo did with Bryant which cost him millions of dollars with an undeserved demotion to the minors.

You can't get mad at LaStella without also being mad at Theo for what he did with Bryant. Both did what was in their best interest.


But it's what is best for the TEAM that matters (to me) over the individual. So I can celebrate what Theo did in extending the club control over Bryant an extra season, while what LaStella did in refusing to report did nothing to help the team and was insubordinate.

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Why would the Cubs bring him back today, and waste an option on Patton, when they could have waited one day for the rosters to expand? What am I missing here?

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Why would the Cubs bring him back today, and waste an option on Patton, when they could have waited one day for the rosters to expand? What am I missing here?

I was thinking about that earlier, when I heard that he was called up today. Very curious.

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Why would the Cubs bring him back today, and waste an option on Patton, when they could have waited one day for the rosters to expand? What am I missing here?


Options go by years, not individual times sent down. You could be sent up and down 15 times in a season and it all counts as one option year. It is a little more complicated than that but it doesn't change anything with him.

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all of this could gave been avoidable if Epstein or Hoyer told him" listen, I know it ain't right but just go put in 25 days in AAA for me and I get ya back up in September.


I have to believe that's exactly what they told him...do you think they said, "yeah, we think Coghlan is better than you, have fun in Iowa"? If they didn't try to explain the business aspect of it, then they would truly be idiots.









I think Maddon told him and he never spoke to anyone higher...IMO

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Bryant was damaged by losing out on millions of dollars on his next contract based on the actions of the Cubs and Theo.


And if the Cubs brought him up right away you would be criticizing Theo for not getting the extra year of control.

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