At least you aren't a Terrible IT Guy.

Yes, we should. No such thing as a good cop.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Stop being hyperbolic. You sound ridiculous.

IIRC, after the passage of the Fugitive Slave Laws shortly after the birth of the nation, many groups were organized as slavecatching patrols(north & south), which later morphed/merged into formal police forces to also regulate the regular poor, wretched, huddled masses of "citizens". Thus another explosion in big government

As for further intellectual support, I could try, but I don't feel like starting an all-telling google search, sorry

So basically we have FavreFan, JORR, and George Zimmerman all in agreement!

Tell that to the guy who started the thread. I'm just agreeing.

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that's a whole different can of worms / philosophical issue-- should policing be proactive/preventative or should it be reactive/punitive?

personally i'm going to go with reactive > proactive because of the whole concept of freedom, you know, whether or not it's my (divine?) right to go do some dumb illegal shit that props up the motto "don't do the crime if you can't do the time." when you start doing stuff like, say, reverse drug stings (cops set up shop as "drug dealers" and arrest a bunch of buyers, basically so they can get $1200+/each for the impounded cars in the hopes of making a quick ~$20k that day) i think that's a slippery slope heading into some kind of dystopia that likely hearkens orwell or huxley.

while people will cry about "actionable intelligence" and whatnot, i think arresting people for wanting to commit a crime is best served for large/r-scale stuff like terrorism, or trying to hire someone to kill your husband/wife; as opposed to, say, sweating some individual for petty shit like "let's make 20 grand off of taking cars away from junkies". freedom is a double edged sword in that while it gives you the ability to enjoy doing [whatever] it also means people are technically "free" to do illegal/heinous shit; such is the "cost of living" in a "free society" no? i guess the actual cost can be measured in the time gap between the instant something illegal happens and when the cops can get there.

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

There's a difference between saying "no such thing as a good cop" and saying "the institution of police is a net negative" or "the environment of police departments promotes bad cops." There are undoubtedly thousands of good cops in this country.

The police have helped me a few times. They've also given me tickets, a few have been deserved.

I don't really understand what JORR thinks the world should look like or how it should be I don't want anybody taking my stuff either.

JORR has also started a thread previously saying there's no good cops, and he is friends with some cops. Cops volunteer to enforce immoral laws using the threat of violence and imprisonment, so no, there are not thousands of good cops out there. There's not even one.

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This is why there can't be a rational conversation in this country.

far be it from me to debate Eastern Kentucky University but policing existed prior to that, although maybe not municipally financially supported. The "modern police organization" does and always has mimicked an army. It is much more likely that the modern bureaucratic police force has a genesis in the armed forces than the much more line grabbing "slave patrol" theory. That is certainly how they formed in Europe with guys like Inspector Javert being quasi military officers.

imagine there's no heaven...

Les Grobstein's huge hog is proof that God has a sense of humor, isn't it?

ok

Pronouncements such as 'there are no good cops' - which is to say ones that lack any semblance of nuance, are clearly hyperbolic, and rely on vague terminology (e.g., 'good') that can be defined in any number of ways - are not customarily the end result of long-form rational discussion.

Where does he say it didn't exist prior to 1830? He seems to only be saying a (let's call it) 'formal' municipally-backed force wasn't conceived of and/or implemented in the USA before 1830.

Further, it would seem that the slave patrol idea was, unsurprisingly, a purely so-called 'southern state' concept, rather than one encompassing the entire nation.

I already explained what I meant by that. You may disagree with me, but it's not hyperbolic at all. There are professions out there that are immoral to be a part of. Surely you would agree with that. So, I just think police officers in the US are one of those. You and leash disagree. That's fine. You know what else doesn't lead to long form rational discussion? Dismissing opinions you don't agree with out of hand instead of taking the extra few seconds to actually articulate a rebuttal.

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Blanket statements are bad. They tend to turn off even people who have a perspective that would agree on some levels. I am certainly one of those people who would tend to question some of the socialization that occurs in police forces and in prisons (among other things). However, when you say "all cops are bad cops", it's a non-starter for most of America... and that shouldn't at all be surprising.

JORR believes the true criminal is you, for possessing things you consider yours

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can