I don't believe either of us is a criminal. But I do believe there is a way to have a better society that doesn't feature the accumulation of goods as its centerpiece.

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It's not a personal thing. I know a lot of gangsters too. Most people might call them "bad". They do bad things. They do some good things too. They're part of a bad institution, but I like many of them on a personal level. I would say the same thing about cops.

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BRick can't get my stuff, I keep all of my precious in the Cloud.

I think we're headed toward that egalitarian society; so far at a snail's pace, but leaps and bounds are a-comin':

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/minimum ... -1.3740373

e.g, driver-less/drone/auto-pilot cars could eliminate, or at least greatly reduce, private car ownership.

and 3-D printing and the accompanying savings in distribution costs etc should reduce the cost of basic and even non-basic goods to the point that a basic income = a decent quality of life. heck, even today, you can walk into a store and walk out with a 4K flat screen for a few hundo. Cheap, but how much of that was moving the inputs and then the finished good around the planet?

drug prohibition and the resulting criminal activities to circumvent that prohibition are probably the biggest LE expenditure; and we're slowly moving on from blanket prohibition.

of the triad underlying the French Revolution--Liberté, égalité, fraternité--equality is the most prominent strain throughout American history. An egalitarian society is the direction we've been moving since 1776 and continue to stumble toward.

We NEED the police. No thanks.

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If I were innerested in unpacking your point, beyond my wanting to hold you to better-defined terminology, I might start with your contention that since 'x' number of laws are "immoral" (another completely vague term), there are no "good" cops ... but that implies a very simplistic with no apparent need to mention that some of the police force are individually "immoral", I don't even know who or what you are trying to find fault with.

Is it the police as a collective? What if they collectively decided to not enforce these "immoral" laws? One might suggest that they're 'not allowed' to do that (which, of course, they are) but if that's the case, why isn't the onus at least equally, if not more so, on the people who made those laws in the first place? What about the citizenry that put those lawmakers in a position to do so ... and then didn't remove them from that position afterwards?

Regardless, by your rationale you have to then say that there no "good" soldiers.

Why stop there ... why not just say there are no "good" people? Outside of a theological debate, which I will presume you're not trying to have on any level, if that's the case then there's no point in trying to make anything better b/c nobody is "good" enough to do so ... which is one of the reasons why there needs to be at least some effort made to 'fence in' certain words and ideas being used to have an alleged rational discussion about topic like this. That's all my initial contention is about.

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Right now I'd be happy with an app based gaming system that doesn't feature the accumulation of Pokemon as its centerpiece.

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Yes, but that's different than saying "all cops are bad." It's a statement that, even if you knew nothing of the profession, is so statistically improbable (in addition to the fact that - as Don Tiny points out - "bad" is a vague term) that it's a meaningless statement that no one could possibly know. It's also nearly impossible that it's true. A better statement is "the American institution of law enforcement promotes 'bad' things and is a bad institution, even though it has good people." That's a much better argument.

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Are there good McDonald's workers?

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GO BEARS!!!

Ok, I stand corrected. All cops are voluntarily a part of a bad organization works for me too. We are all in agreement now.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Probably. I've never had a McDonald's worker draw a gun on me and search me even though I had done nothing wrong.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

MANY. But they are soon to be replaced by robots.

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No guns but they give you cheap crap that's not good for your health.

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McDonald's unhealthy/cheap food has killed more people than the police ever will.

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#Truth

They've also made your insurance go up

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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So what happens to say...rape victims in this non Police world?

Same thing that happens now. No one believes them and the person gets off.

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The SJW's and the MRA's have a rumble and the loser is killed.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

stoned in the town square by the community for violating sharia by having the sex with a man not her husband.

Poor choice of words

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Literally

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GO BEARS!!!

We can address the morality of eating meat another day.

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Let's do it!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Fair enough

I'm really asking though. How do we deal with crime? Community policing? (Still police?)

You can't which is the why the question is idiotic.

No matter what happens you need some kind of police force. If not you get a situation like the Walking Dead where you just devolve into tiny islands of despots who enforce their own code of laws.

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By working with your neighbors, who are probably annoying idiots.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So no change at all then!


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