Protect the capitalist state? You mean to protect our way of life?

It's like you guys think this economic system is some grand conspiracy. It is the product of our Constitution that has evolved over 200+ years. It will go down in history as one of the greatest combinations of democratic government and economic strength the world has ever seen. The level of development created by the capitalist state is something unparalleled in history. Four percent of the world's population is producing nearly one quarter of world output.

The system is not without flaws. Maybe the accumulation of material goods is not your thing. Fine. But the vast majority of the population is getting its basic needs met- food, clothing, and housing. And I am all for exploring the problems of inadequate public schooling performance and income inequality. I am not in favor of tearing the whole mother fucker down with silly ideas like banning the police and moving towards anarchy.

You realize you are absolutely right but many here will still argue it for pages right?

This is wrong on so many levels.

This is wrong on so many levels.

Protect the capitalist state? You mean to protect our way of life?

It's like you guys think this economic system is some grand conspiracy. It is the product of our Constitution that has evolved over 200+ years. It will go down in history as one of the greatest combinations of democratic government and economic strength the world has ever seen. The level of development created by the capitalist state is something unparalleled in history. Four percent of the world's population is producing nearly one quarter of world output.

The system is not without flaws. Maybe the accumulation of material goods is not your thing. Fine. But the vast majority of the population is getting its basic needs met- food, clothing, and housing. And I am all for exploring the problems of inadequate public schooling performance and income inequality. I am not in favor of tearing the whole mother fucker down with silly ideas like banning the police and moving towards anarchy.

This is wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to begin. It's easy to be a five percenter and champion "our way of life". And I don't know why you think that not having armed patrols in a community equals anarchy. I hope Tall Midget shows up soon.

This is wrong on so many levels.

Wouldn't it be better to just have less armed police officers rather than this horrible idea?

Maybe have some dedicated and highly trained police officers that know when to use a gun correctly.

The police in Ireland don't carry guns. They do ok.

You're halfway there already then. But how can they "protect us" without guns?

I think you need to eventually come to the realization that you're in the minority on many of your opinions.

So? Of course the educated man is going to face disagreement from the ignorant masses.

I don't know what you mean here.

The police still have guns. They just don't have guns for day to day standard operations. This is far different than relying on your neighbors to ask your robber to either stop robbing people or to give your stuff back.

So? Of course the educated man is going to face disagreement from the ignorant masses.

More people in Cook county than Ireland, great analogy though!

Why do you draw a distinction between "neighbors" and "police". Why do you feel wearing a badge gives someone more weight in asking a robber to stop robbing? The power of authority?

I think when we talk about "abolishing police" we're really talking about changing the way the authorities interact with their communities. When you remove the guns, that changes the dynamic right there. Technology is largely responsible for creating a divide between cops and their communities. You go back to the beat cop, he was part of his neighborhood. He couldn't just roll over people with an armored tank and some cannons. He had to have some diplomacy. You add two-way radios and vehicles to the mix, forget about guns for a minute, suddenly it's not me and you, it's us vs. them.

Cook County is just unfortunate enough to have the 500,000 murderers and criminals Ireland doesn't.

We're like Jose Quintana.

Just unlucky.