You're confusing some things here.

1.) We aren't talking about any job here. We are specifically talking about a police officer who represents a community. If this guy was baking pizzas this isn't a story. So you can stop with conflating this with all jobs.

2.) Nobody has made the argument this guy can't earn a living some other way, so you can stop with that strawman too. Let him go find work in the private sector, for whoever is willing to hire him.

3.) Openly displaying his tattoo while in uniform is pretty solid confirmation that he still has these thoughts, and they aren't part of some distant past he's ashamed of. Tattoo removal hurts like a bitch but it's not prohibitively expensive. Also, in addition to publicly disgracing the uniform he's wearing, it's a pretty strong signal that he can't impartially do his job. If you want to argue this point, I would first suggest answering my question you have repeatedly ignored about bad ink.

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1.) What does representing a community have to do with anything? Their job is to enforce the law and keep the peace, not "represent a community". If you're talking about the best way to go about enforce laws and keep the peace in a given community, then yes, it would be best if the force as a whole mimicked the community it serves, but the job of being a police officer places no onus on the officer to "represent" a community.

2.) He has a living, now, and has been earning it for some time. Now, apropos of nothing, you want to remove that because of a tattoo on his forearm that may or may not indicate beliefs that you don't like. (Also bear in mind: the only "real" evidence tying this guy to a neo-Nazi group is a hack from 6 years ago that has his name somewhere in the data dump , other than that he's a standard gun-nut former Marine with a hefty dose of German heritage, which culture uses "Fatherland" irrespective of Naziism)

3.) What the what? So you are not only inferring an entire belief system from a single tattoo, but from that inferring a chronology of the belief in the person with the tattoo, and from that inferring an inability and/or unwillingness to do his job impartially. For your reference, here is a list of groups of people that use the term "fatherland" to mean "homeland": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherlan ... herland.22 Are they all Nazis?

And no, I won't dignify your equation of a racial slur and "fatherland" with further contemplation.

1.) You seemingly have no clue what separates the public and private sector. That is... amusing.

2.) You seemingly have no clue what apropos of nothing means. Also amusing.

3.) The tattoo is of a nazi Eagle. If you aren't sure, just do a minor bit of research(or just read the article in the OP which lays it all out)


This is one of those things where everyone, regardless of their ideology, should be able to agree that yep, police officers shouldn't have nazi tattoos. I'm not sure if you sympathize with the officer or just like arguing, but you look bad here.

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BUT JULIE DECUNTO SAID SOMETHING ON TWITTER YOU GUIZE!!!!!!!!

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INKS JUST FINE?

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Don't forget the slippery slope of not letting the people in charge of keeping the peace openly advocating the destruction of non-whites.

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Are you or were you ever a member of the communist party?

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I agree with FavreFan that we shouldn't have Nazi police officers. But it raises the question of whether people should be judged on an ideology with which they align themselves. Nobody would dare suggest a Muslim shouldn't be a cop because he might not be able to enforce the laws of man when they are in conflict with the laws of Allah. And nobody would suggest a Christian should not hold public office although we have actual evidence of a Christian failing at such duty with that nitwit broad in Kentucky choosing the follow the word of her god rather than the law of the land. As far as we know, this goof with the Nazi tattoo (and it is unquestionably a Nazi tattoo) hasn't actually acted out any Nazi beliefs that would disqualify him from holding his job. So I understand Juice's position. Why doesn't #notallnazis apply?

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he's a bicycle cop. meaning when he shoots his left arm out he's not telling you "on your left".

For starters you're essentially placing Nazism on the same ground as Christianity and Islam. Second, Nazism is a political and ideological belief system not a religion.

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That nitwit broad in KY had and still has a constitutional right to do what she did. And the federal judge in that case affirmed that.

The same laws that protect "nitwits" protect your rights to have dumb ideas as well. Be careful where you tread, or you may end up being forced to finally admit that your thoughts on Quintana are just plain stoopid.

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I'm white and not a Jew so I'm fine with Nazi cops

She lost her appeal on the contempt of court charges so I don't really know what you are talking about.

The federal judge simply said that we aren't putting her in jail for years because of this.

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I realize now (or hope) that JORR is being facetious. The #notallnazis thing can't exist because there's no such thing as a moderate Nazi.

No Nazi is saying, "I believe in the superiority of the Aryan race and hate Jews and everything but I dont think they should ALL be killed. Shit, I had a Jewish roommate growing up. Sure he rented furniture to me at usurious rates, but I did appreciate his brand of humor."

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Of course you don't.

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Islam is a political and ideological belief system too and to a somewhat lesser degree, so is Christianity. And we're not talking about your preconceived notions of various groups. I would submit if you polled the world's Jewish population on what is the largest 21st Century threat to their existence the answer wouldn't be Nazism.

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into another boring episode of JORR THE Bigot vs. Islam. I'm simply pointing out that for many of you there is a clear philosophical and logical inconsistency. So I'll just ask one question: When is it okay to judge a person by a group affiliation rather than personal actions?

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And this cop has a constitutional right to wear his stupid ass tattoo.

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I think the very existence of this Nazi cop with his however many year record of exemplary service on the police force puts lie to your premise, does it not?

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But he may not have the right to be a cop.

She has and had a constitutional right to keep her job. Which a court affirmed.

You are comparing apples and oranges here without knowing what the Philly PD requirements are.

And like I said, be careful who you label a nitwit, you may be next.

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When they get a Nazi tattoo.

I would ask you the same question. You agreed this guy shouldn't be a cop. I would assume you wouldn't say the same thing about veganfan. Where's the line for you?

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Soldiers don't have constitutional rights to tattoos. That guy would be kicked out of the military for that, probably with a less than honorable discharge. Not sure about cops. They seem to be able to get away with murder so tattoos might not be a big deal.

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The Philly PD requirements have already been confirmed by his union: "I've seen it. It's an eagle. It's not a big deal."

And I assume Kim Davis took some kind of oath to uphold the law. She has a constitutional right not to give gays a marriage license, but she can't hold that job and exercise such a right. She is a nitwit and there is no defense for her regardless of your personal beliefs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 43780a6556

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Well, if we're going to give police departments our military's surplus tanks and stuff, maybe we should have the same standards for Nazi tattoos that the military does.

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I'm sure that there were many guys manning the guard towers at Buchenwald that would buy drinks for people. Still doesn't change the core tenants of their belief system.

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The same rules of engagement when firing your weapon would be nice too.

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Well, I didn't exactly say this guy shouldn't be a cop. I said a Nazi shouldn't be a cop. For all we know, this guy just likes Nazi artwork. But if he holds traditional Nazi views, he shouldn't be a cop. And if veganfan believes the Koran is perfect law, he shouldn't be a cop either. I don't know how we could know these things. It's a tough question. If I had to guess, I'd say that cop is a raging scumbag, but a guess is all it would be. You're staking out some strange ground for a guy who calls himself a Libertarian.

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This is the same argument that I get beat over the head with when I talk about Islam and how the ideology is driving the actions. This cop wasn't at Buchenwald. Why are you painting with a broad brush?

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Unless there is a history this guy has of complaints that this new attention to his tattoos sheds light on, there is really no justification to say "fire him".

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I don't think it's antithetical to libertarian values to say that a Nazi(and you're going down a silly JLN route by arguing this guy ISNT one) can't be entrusted with upholding the peace. I'd say the same thing about someone with an ISIS tattoo. Also, I would consider this argument more of a practical one than a political one. I understand why people don't want to abolish the police. I can't understand why anybody would be against prohibiting Nazis from being cops unless they shared similar views.

However, I think the much bigger problem here is the head of the police union's tacit endorsement of the tattoo.

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