Is there any tattoo that should warrant firing him? If so, how does a genuine Nazi tattoo not make the cut?

Also, should our military personnel be allowed to have that type of tattoo?

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Because Islam is a religion and Nazism is not. As much as I may not like it Islam has constitutional protections that Nazism does not.

I suppose you could argue the cop's tatto is a form of speech, but then you've got the state indirectly sponsoring that speech by allowing him to show the tattoo off while on duty.

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You are granting one group leeway that you fail to allow the other. Nazis = bad, unarguable. Muslims = good, and the many taking bad actions based upon core philosophies of the group's literature are "radical". That's a narrative, spin. Let's pretend we have no knowledge of these groups and treat their members as such. It can't be both ways, can it? Your beef with this cop isn't based on any bad action he has taken, except to get a tattoo that links him to a group that has many bad actors.



Well, the head of any police union is going to stand up for the cop that shoots an unarmed and handcuffed fourteen year old in the back seven times. I'm not too surprised that he backs some dope with a racist tattoo.

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What the what? No, I don't think that's how the Constitution works.

No.



Sure.

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So you're taking a legal stance here rather than a moral one? The designation "religion" is really just for purposes of taxation, not any judgment on the "good" or "evil" of said group. If Nazism established itself as a religion would your philosophy toward it change?

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Not looking good.

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Well, I don't think I've ever said anything along the lines of Muslims = good. Like most groups, they have a few winners and a whole lot of losers. But I'm not granting any group leeway while failing to allow that for others. To make that argument, you'd have to agree that Muslims and Nazis are both hate groups and I don't believe the former is. I realize you disagree.

I would hope everyone would agree that it's inarguable that Nazis are bad, but JLN proved that's not the case.

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I do disagree. Religion by its very nature is supremacy.

And JLN and I have our beefs but I don't think he said such a thing.

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The reason for not allowing that type of tattoo in the military is that it would not only create tension and conflict among fellow soldiers when they all should be one team, but also that you represent the United States when you have the uniform on. Now, I don't think the police should follow all military protocol, but those reasons seem like sufficient justification to me.

I'll go back to my earlier example that JLN refused to answer: why should a guy with a tattoo saying "Fuck N*****s" on his forehead be allowed to represent the community as a police officer?

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That's not true, or at the very least, it's a very ethnocentric way of looking at religion.

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I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell. I don't know how anyone could find such belief anything but supremacist.

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I'm more concerned that the genie is out of the bottle regarding visible tattoos in all workplaces. I'm not sure when forearm tattoos became socially acceptable but I'm not a fan.

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That's why I said it's an ethnocentric way to view religion. Buddhism, as one example, makes no such declarations.

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In a strange twist, I'd think firing for the tattoo was more acceptable than firing for the political affiliation

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should have just stuck with the barbed wire around his bicep that he originally wanted

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JORR you keep dancing around the fact that Islam is far more varied in its belief system than Nazism. The core belief of Nazism is the superiority of the Aryan race above all others. That's the whole reason it exists.

I'll grant you that certain sects of Islam have essentially the same belief system but the vast majority of those who practice dont adhere to the same belief system as members of ISIS do.

And this is ignoring the bigger question of why (if this cop is indeed a "moderate Nazi" and doesn't adhere to the core beliefs of the party) he got a fucking Nazi tattoo in the first fucking place.

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Does the tat have a swastika? That would make a difference.

I'm guessing he leans to the supremacist side of things by the reaction.

Life imitating art...this happened on Banshee.

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Do you think a core belief of Islam is that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims?

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I'm taking a legal view because that provides the most objective view of the situation and provides the clearest answer to this situation.

Morally I dont give a shit what some one chooses to do with their body. However, I do find it colossally stupid for an on duty police officer to visibly display a Nazi tattoo because of The Optics likely born out of that display.

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The question here is not the officer's stupidity.

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Which is assumed since he became a cop and not something that requires a lot of thought.

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What do you believe the question is?

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Of course. The question is his judgment.

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In the present case, yes. But in a larger sense, this is about judging a man on his beliefs rather than his actions. The same thing you find bigoted when the belief is something slightly less offensive to most than Nazism. If your argument is that getting the tattoo is the action, then perhaps no officer should be allowed a visible tattoo of any kind. I'd be fine with that.

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This thread is about the present case. We can talk about the larger picture too, but there's really no coherent counterpoint to "Police officers should not be allowed to have Nazi tattoos."

I don't know why you immediately jumped to no tattoos at all. We already have restrictions on how smart cops are allowed to be. Remove all tattooed people and you are really narrowing the window of potential hires then. Not to mention it doesn't really make any sense.

Also, Islam is not "slightly" less offensive than Nazism. That's ridiculous.

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I didn't say "no tattoos". I said no visible tattoos. And I think that would be a good policy. That way people wouldn't have to argue about what the connotations of a particular tattoo are and make judgments on a person's state of mind. JLN, the cop, and the police union insisting it's "just an eagle" and you, me, and Simon Weisenthal stating that it's an obvious Nazi symbol.



It's not ridiculous. It's something you've been taught, probably because of the massive amount of Muslims worldwide. If there were only as many Muslims as there are Nazis, you'd call it a cult. Islam is a belief system that grants supremacy to certain people. If you were paying jizya, you might have a different perspective.

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But that's infantilizing all of us. Anyone who's saying "it's just an eagle" is obviously lying or dumb enough to the point where we can't really hold their opinion with much weight. It's not hard to decipher inoffensive tattoos from offensive ones. The military seems to do it just fine.

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Busy day. I wish I could join the debate. Since I can't, I'll probably just drop in occasionally with some sarcastic and unfunny one-liners until someone tells me to fuck off.

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