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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Notice how everyone is ducking the question. Cuts right to the heart of the issue.

you're not reading well. At least 4 people on this page who hate or dislike Hillary agree that they think Trump is racist.

Now that that's out of the way, let's shift the conversation back to the president elect Hillary, and stop talking as much about a candidate that is the equivalent of the "the rent is too damn high" candidate.



No isn't and that is why reading comprehension for you is problematic. The Rent too high guy wasn't anyone's nominating. He never polled high enough to even get on a national debate stage. Trump is a legit challenger for President. Im past underestimating this dude. We are in Sept and he is 1-2 points behind. The he isn't going to win dog aint hunting anymore. This is a real race and he has to be taken seriously. I am. The only two people that answered the question were you and Brick. I don't know where you get 4 from either. There is a lot of hedging on the Trump as racist question.

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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



So you believe that Donald Trump hates you?

Here we go. Do you think he is racist? City of Fools seems to think that you answered the question already. I know that you haven't

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I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


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I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


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long time guy wrote:
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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



So you believe that Donald Trump hates you?

Here we go. Do you think he is racist? City of Fools seems to think that you answered the question already. I know that you haven't


I'm not willing to label someone a racist because it's your opinion that he is. "Because I said so" isn't intellectually intriguing or honest for that matter.

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pittmike wrote:
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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



I did just read this a half hour ago. He actually said the counters should be short guys with yarmulkes as well.
If you get a chance check out the stuff he said on the Senate floor regarding Indian owners of Casinos. It should be on Youtube. Year was 1993 I believe. That is some of the most condescending bigoted shit that you'd ever want to hear. He actually had the audacity to say it on the Senate floor no less. This dude sees a number of things through racial lenses and that is really quite dangerous.

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Seacrest wrote:
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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



So you believe that Donald Trump hates you?

Here we go. Do you think he is racist? City of Fools seems to think that you answered the question already. I know that you haven't


I'm not willing to label someone a racist because it's your opinion that he is. "Because I said so" isn't intellectually intriguing or honest for that matter.


I provided evidence unlike you. You had no problem labeling the Clintons though.

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His bigotry during this campaign is reminiscent of what occurred during the George Wallace and Bull Connor era.


If you want to be taken seriously, I wouldn't post stuff like this.

Why? Mexico is sending rapists and criminals here, and let's ban all Muslims, is pretty fucking racist. I wasn't alive for George Wallace, but Trump is far and away the most outwardly racist candidate for pretty much any office of my lifetime. Ltg isn't wrong.


Trump never said, "Ban all Muslims". He's talking specifically about refugees. The shit he says is bad enough without spinning it.

I respect LTG's opinions, but come on. George Wallace was running on an actual platform of white supremacy. I have Mexican friends that hate Trump and consider his statements on illegals to be somehow related to them. Trump is clumsy, has stupid "solutions", and the things he said about that Mexican-American judge were shameful. But let's be serious. We have borders. Do we want to eliminate all borders and just be people of the Earth? I'd be in favor of that. But I was ridiculed for suggesting a radical alteration of the way we police, I can just imagine what kind of response there would be to that idea. So at least theoretically, almost everyone here is in favor of borders. But if anyone can just come and go as they please, that really isn't a border, is it?


So you generally agree with Trump so that makes him different than Wallace.


I said, I'm open to a world without borders. How about you? But if we're going to have borders, shouldn't the mean something? If anyone can come from anywhere whenever they please without consequence, why have a border at all?

I'm in favor of open borders too. Nas probably is not. He might have more in common with Trunp than he'd care to admit.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.

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Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.


Sadly, neither party had anyone better.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.

I agree the two party system failed here.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.
What Democrat would have been a better choice than Hillary?

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The Clinton's actions in the 90's are a matter of public record. And were accepted by you I might add. Prisons are full of black men due to their policies. Welfare to the poor was cut as well. Yet you call out Trump for not caring for the poor. You are a fraud.

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long time guy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.
What Democrat would have been a better choice than Hillary?


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.


I think it shows the inherent flaws with the two party primary process in this day and age. Any moderate thinkers cant make it thru the meat grinder of the primary and so we are left with poor choices in the general election. The hardcore left and right will always come out and support their guys but the middle of the road folks are left with crap choices. I don't think its a coincidence that in our two last non re-election presidential choices have been turds...

Obama and McCain
Bush and Gore

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.


I think it shows the inherent flaws with the two party primary process in this day and age. Any moderate thinkers cant make it thru the meat grinder of the primary and so we are left with poor choices in the general election. The hardcore left and right will always come out and support their guys but the middle of the road folks are left with crap choices. I don't think its a coincidence that in our two last non re-election presidential choices have been turds...

Obama and McCain
Bush and Gore


Democrats know the LTG's of the world will vote for anyone with a pulse, and a capital D before their name. That was, and is true, long before the internet was in existence.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.


I think it shows the inherent flaws with the two party primary process in this day and age. Any moderate thinkers cant make it thru the meat grinder of the primary and so we are left with poor choices in the general election. The hardcore left and right will always come out and support their guys but the middle of the road folks are left with crap choices. I don't think its a coincidence that in our two last non re-election presidential choices have been turds...

Obama and McCain
Bush and Gore


Democrats know the LTG's of the world will vote for anyone with a pulse, and a capital D before their name. That was, and is true, long before the internet was in existence.


Its the same way on the other side of the aisle.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.


I think it shows the inherent flaws with the two party primary process in this day and age. Any moderate thinkers cant make it thru the meat grinder of the primary and so we are left with poor choices in the general election. The hardcore left and right will always come out and support their guys but the middle of the road folks are left with crap choices. I don't think its a coincidence that in our two last non re-election presidential choices have been turds...

Obama and McCain
Bush and Gore


Democrats know the LTG's of the world will vote for anyone with a pulse, and a capital D before their name. That was, and is true, long before the internet was in existence.


Its the same way on the other side of the aisle.



What voting bloc are you referring to on the Republican side?

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What voting bloc are you referring to on the Republican side?


rural white people

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What voting bloc are you referring to on the Republican side?


rural white people


Are you referring to the rural whites in the South that used to vote Democratic?

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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



I did just read this a half hour ago. He actually said the counters should be short guys with yarmulkes as well.


Trump turning into Senor Columnist.

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long time guy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'll make this clear for LTG so he can't accuse me of supporting Trump anymore.

Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for him.

Hillary Clinton is either incompetent or a liar. Hillary Clinton is a bad candidate for president and no one should vote for her.


Johnson/Weld 2016

Unfortunately someone has to be President. She is easily a better choice than Trump. If the Republicans wanted better they should have chosen someone else. Democrats had an opportunity to do likewise.
What Democrat would have been a better choice than Hillary?



We will never know because Wassermann Schultz and the DNC intimidated anyone besides Bernie from trying.

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If he tries really hard long time guy may be able to do the unthinkable and convince people that Trump is a racist.


Do you really think he is? Or do you think he uses the system and underbelly of society to his advantage? I know what I think but the way I read some others they feel he is at the dinner table in a hood telling Ivanka if she comes home with a black grand baby she is disowned.


This guy has systematically sought to deny blacks access to scarce resources. He is quoted as saying that he hates that blacks have to count his money. Listen to the bigotry that he exhibited during the Indian Casino testimony in the Senate. Some of the most bigoted shit you'd ever want to hear. Clinton dislike and hatred should not obscure anyone from knowing exactly who this guy is. He has spent the better part of his life demonstrating it.



So you believe that Donald Trump hates you?

Here we go. Do you think he is racist? City of Fools seems to think that you answered the question already. I know that you haven't

no, I wasn't speaking for Seacrest.

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It's not a political thing ltg. Seacrest never gives direct answers.

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The Clinton's actions in the 90's are a matter of public record. And were accepted by you I might add. Prisons are full of black men due to their policies. Welfare to the poor was cut as well. Yet you call out Trump for not caring for the poor. You are a fraud.


and you are incredibly ignorant on the subject. A number of black leaders were calling for tougher penalties against crime because the streets were a war zone too. There was bi partison support for the crime bill and if you look at the facts and not talking points for once you'd see that the homicide rate decreased immediately following the enactment of the crime bill. That is the dirty little secret that no one is ever supposed to discuss. Never let the facts get in the way of a little Clinton bashing I guess. As far as Welfare goes there should have been reform. Welfare was a rest haven for a number of families and if you knew the history it was never supposed to be permanent. It was always supposed to be a temporary and not permanent solution.

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It's not a political thing ltg. Seacrest never gives direct answers.


I'm not going to call Trump or Clinton a racist.

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The Clinton's actions in the 90's are a matter of public record. And were accepted by you I might add. Prisons are full of black men due to their policies. Welfare to the poor was cut as well. Yet you call out Trump for not caring for the poor. You are a fraud.


and you are incredibly ignorant on the subject. A number of black leaders were calling for tougher penalties against crime because the streets were a war zone too. There was bi partison support for the crime bill and if you look at the facts and not talking points for once you'd see that the homicide rate decreased immediately following the enactment of the crime bill. That is the dirty little secret that no one is ever supposed to discuss. Never let the facts get in the way of a little Clinton bashing I guess. As far as Welfare goes there should have been reform. Welfare was a rest haven for a number of families and if you knew the history it was never supposed to be permanent. It was always supposed to be a temporary and not permanent solution.


I possibly see his point. Haven't there been recent arguments that the war on crime and over imprisonment bad for the black communities?

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Welfare was a rest haven for a number of families and if you knew the history it was never supposed to be permanent. It was always supposed to be a temporary and not permanent solution.

here we go. Do you think these families WANT to be on welfare?!

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our old next door neighbor certainly bragged about it. 2 individuals living together, he made probably 90-100k a year, she had a part time job receiving full gvt benefits for 4 children. He owned a small home a few blocks away. it basically was vacant and a PO box essentially. possibly not the norm but i don't doubt there are plenty in the same boat.
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hnd wrote:
our old next door neighbor certainly bragged about it. 2 individuals living together, he made probably 90-100k a year, she had a part time job receiving full gvt benefits for 4 children. He owned a small home a few blocks away. it basically was vacant and a PO box essentially. possibly not the norm but i don't doubt there are plenty in the same boat.


Sounds similar to Reagan's apocryphal tale of the "Welfare Queen".

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In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record. She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans’ benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year.

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