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Are banks racist? I don't think your FICO score includes your skin tone next to it

Is the judicial system racist? Pretty sure the count of men far exceeds the count of women in prison, are they sexist as well?

There are racist humans and I think they are evil, just the blanket "white privilege" thing is some new found exaggeration and it is not true. Evidence does not back it up. Show me statistics and I will change my tune.

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Why? It does exist. I personally would never say or allow myself to believe that my skin color has held me back but I'm confident that has been the case and will continue to be the case for MANY people of color.


The ACT provides bonus points based on race. The very definition of privelage here is receiving the points. White race does not receive any points. See the following excerpt from this source, the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html#page=1

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Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

College admission season ignites deep anxieties for Asian American families, who spend more than any other demographic on education. At elite universities across the U.S., Asian Americans form a larger share of the student body than they do of the population as a whole. And increasingly they have turned against affirmative action policies that could alter those ratios, and accuse admissions committees of discriminating against Asian American applicants.


Now you're speaking of the need for affirmative action. Affirmative action is still needed because of the wide racial disparities we have in our country. The things that you ignore or gloss over because you haven't had to live them.

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That could be a whole separate thread, but is it a positive to "give" students 230 points on the ACT simply based on their ethnicity?

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Are banks racist? I don't think your FICO score includes your skin tone next to it

Is the judicial system racist? Pretty sure the count of men far exceeds the count of women in prison, are they sexist as well?

There are racist humans and I think they are evil, just the blanket "white privilege" thing is some new found exaggeration and it is not true. Evidence does not back it up. Show me statistics and I will change my tune.

Ben Shapiro brings it with Facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxZRuL65wQ

In answer to your judicial system question...yes. Perhaps racist isn't technically correct but the results are the same.

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Are banks racist? I don't think your FICO score includes your skin tone next to it

Is the judicial system racist? Pretty sure the count of men far exceeds the count of women in prison, are they sexist as well?

There are racist humans and I think they are evil, just the blanket "white privilege" thing is some new found exaggeration and it is not true. Evidence does not back it up. Show me statistics and I will change my tune.

Ben Shapiro brings it with Facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxZRuL65wQ


Of course there is white privilege. Beyond that there is white male privilege. A step further is tall white, male and good looking privilege. Rich supersedes all of that. Don't be naive.

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Are banks racist? I don't think your FICO score includes your skin tone next to it

Is the judicial system racist? Pretty sure the count of men far exceeds the count of women in prison, are they sexist as well?

There are racist humans and I think they are evil, just the blanket "white privilege" thing is some new found exaggeration and it is not true. Evidence does not back it up. Show me statistics and I will change my tune.

Ben Shapiro brings it with Facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxZRuL65wQ


There have been MANY articles written and studies done that conclude the FICO scoring system discriminates against people of color. Also I hope you aren't suggesting that MANY banks aren't still discriminating against people of color despite having a strong credit score and profile. It still happens. That's why we still see a lot of whites as front men for businesses.

There are MANY stats that show the bias in the justice system. Minorities are given 20% longer sentences than whites for committing the same crimes. Look at the rate black motorists are pulled over and ticketed in comparison to whites. Look at our drugs laws and mandatory sentencing guidelines. There are MANY examples of bias that exists if you are willing to open your eyes.

White privilege really boils down to the MANY things that whites may take for granted that people of color don't. MANY whites are insulated from the impact racism has on MANY people and communities.

It starts the moment you enter this world. You aren't concerned about how white babies are represented on things such as baby food and diapers. If you have a daughter you don't worry about the lack of name brand dolls that look like here. You don't worry about the lack of cartoons and children movies with kids that look like your child. You don't concern yourself with the fact that less than 10% of all children books were written by or for people of color. You don't get excited when you see a person that looks like you in a commercial or winning some beauty contest. People who look like you are the standard of beauty. Most products are marketed by beautiful white women and men. You don't have to look too hard to find a person in power that looks like you.

When kids start school MANY whites don't have to worry about sending their kids to just an okay school because all the schools in their community are failing. People that look like you are well represented in our school books. You don't have to read obscure books to find out about the accomplishments to society that people who look like you made. No one is surprised when your child speaks well and gets good grades or calls them "white" for doing so. Graduating high school isn't considered a major accomplishment in MANY white homes. Because MANY whites go to far superior schools than MANY blacks they don't worry about being so far behind when they get to college. There are MANY legacy opportunities for people who look like you so MANY may not even worry much about college.

When looking for a job your qualified resume isn't thrown in the garbage because your name is "Derrick Strong". You're likely to make more than even the more qualified racial minority in your position. You are more likely to get promoted and get a raise before the more qualified minority. You can move to a decent neighborhood without your neighbors looking afraid OR moving out. Your insurance is likely going to be cheaper. You aren't likely going to be stopped or harassed by the cops. You aren't seen as representing the entire group of people who look like just about everywhere you go. If you commit a crime they don't routinely find the worst possible picture of you and plaster it all over the television. If your child is lost or kidnapped you don't have to worry about it not getting the attention of the media UNLESS they look like one of the few black Disney animated stars. They don't have to pass laws to make your life less inequitable than people who look differently than you.

There are MANY other examples of things that you take granted that MANY people of color don't. That's what white privilege is.

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That could be a whole separate thread, but is it a positive to "give" students 230 points on the ACT simply based on their ethnicity?


No one is getting an extra 230 points on their ACT. It's impossible. No one is getting an extra 230 points on their SAT either but he's talking about a study that tried to put a value on SAT scores for some schools.

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Truthfully despite MANY of the things that I listed above poor white kids have a legitimate gripe. There aren't many programs in place to help them climb of the black hole that is generational poverty.

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Truthfully despite MANY of the things that I listed above poor white kids have a legitimate gripe. There aren't many programs in place to help them climb of the black hole that is generational poverty.

Many argue that college campuses are not devoid of racial minorities but poor people.

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Truthfully despite MANY of the things that I listed above poor white kids have a legitimate gripe. There aren't many programs in place to help them climb of the black hole that is generational poverty.

Many argue that college campuses are not devoid of racial minorities but poor people.


MANY are probably right. The poor get screwed the most BUT they don't see one another as allies. Uniting of poor whites and minorities would bring about drastic change in our country. It's unlikely to happen because the powers that be have created enough division to last centuries.

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Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.

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People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.

The split labor market works wonderfully. I don't think it is intentional, but man, it works perfectly to keep a certain's class's interests safe.

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That could be a whole separate thread, but is it a positive to "give" students 230 points on the ACT simply based on their ethnicity?


I don't have a problem with this if you are from a low income area. A kid who grows up in Roseland, attends Corliss, and scores a 27 on the ACT is more impressive than the kid from Naperville with two parents that are lawyers who scores a 30.

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I saw this on Facebook tonight. The first time I read it I naturally assumed it was written by a driver for Flying Tigers.

An Open Letter to Colin Kaepernick,

Dear Colin,

Guess you have been pretty busy these last few days. For the record I don’t think any more or less of you for not standing for the National Anthem. Honestly, I never thought that much about you, or any professional athlete for that matter, to begin with. I’ve read your statement a few times and want you to know I am one of the reasons you are protesting. You see I am a retired police officer that had the misfortune of having to shoot and kill a 19-year-old African American male. And just like you said, I was the recipient of about $3,000 a month while on leave which was a good thing because I had to support a wife and three children under 7-years-old for about 2 months with that money. Things were pretty tight because I couldn’t work part time. Every police officer I’ve ever known has worked part-time to help make ends meet.

You know Colin the more I think about it the more we seem to have in common. I really pushed myself in rehab to get back on the street, kind of like you do to get back on the field. You probably have had a broken bone or two and some muscle strains and deep bruising that needed a lot of work. I just had to bounce back from a gunshot wound to the chest and thigh. Good thing we both get paid when we are too banged up to “play”, huh? We both also know what it’s like to get blindsided. You by a 280- pound defensive end, ouch! Me, by a couple of rounds fired from a gun about 2 feet away, into my chest and thigh. We also both make our living wearing uniforms, right? You have probably ruined a jersey or two on the field of play. I still have my blood stained shirt that my partner and paramedics literally ripped off my back that cold night in January. Fortunately, like you I was given a new one. Speaking of paramedics aren’t you glad the second we get hurt trainers and doctors are standing by waiting to rush onto the field to scoop us up. I’m thankful they get to you in seconds. It only took them about 10 minutes to get to me. By the grace of God, the artery in my thigh didn’t rupture or else 10 minutes would have been about 9 minutes too late. We also have both experienced the hate and disgust others have just because of those uniforms we wear. I sure am glad for your sake that the folks who wear my uniform are on hand to escort you and those folks that wear your uniform into stadiums in places like Seattle!

I guess that’s where the similarities end Colin. You entertain for a living, I and almost 800,000 others across this country serve and protect. Are there some bad apples within my profession? Absolutely and they need to be identified and fired or arrested! But you know what, the vast majority do the right thing, the right way, for the right reason. Did I mention that seconds before I was shot, an elderly African American gentleman walking down the sidewalk, turned to my partner and I as we rode past and said, “Get them.” Get who you ask? The thugs terrorizing an otherwise good and decent neighborhood, home to dozens of good, decent African American families trying to raise those families in communities not protected by gates and security guards. No these folks and families depend on America’s Law Enforcement Officers.

Colin I have buried 7 friends, killed in the line of duty and three others who have committed suicide. I have attended more funerals than I care to remember of neighboring departments who have lost officers in the line of duty, during my career. Law Enforcement Officers with different backgrounds, upbringings, and experiences united by their willingness to answer the call to protect and serve their fellow citizens.

Colin I am sorry for the endorsement deals you may lose and the dip in jersey sales, but please know you will NEVER lose what these men and women and their families have lost. And so whether you stand or sit during the National Anthem means very little to me. As for me and the men and women on whose team I was privileged to serve, we will put on our ballistic vests, badge, and gun, kiss our loved one’s goodbye, for some tragically for the last time, and out into a shift of uncertainty we will go. We will continue to protect and continue to serve and we will be standing at attention Colin, not just for the playing of our National Anthem, but far more importantly for the playing of Taps.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?

Because to many liberals, it does not fit their ideology. They simply can't account for it. They did not experience any limitations because of social class themselves and so they assume no one else did. Or they confuse self-interest with justice or intellectual inquiry with the creation of wildly inconsistent categories like "people of color" and they're unable to see how limiting these are.

Don't get me wrong, race matters, and matters a lot, independent of class. But in the end, a focus on explaining how Americans live their lives based only on race is asinine, short-sighted, and limited. And since nearly everyone is affected by the need to conform, any time you step out of line with the liberal ideology, you get attacked until you quiet down or fall in line.

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cluv8484 wrote:
Are banks racist? I don't think your FICO score includes your skin tone next to it

Is the judicial system racist? Pretty sure the count of men far exceeds the count of women in prison, are they sexist as well?

There are racist humans and I think they are evil, just the blanket "white privilege" thing is some new found exaggeration and it is not true. Evidence does not back it up. Show me statistics and I will change my tune.

Ben Shapiro brings it with Facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxZRuL65wQ



In a way, Shapiro proves "white privilege" with his statements regarding hotel shampoo. He has no idea about caring for 4C hair.

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Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?


Because you are full of shit, and a degenerate racist.

Btw, what was the temperature in Clearwater on Wednesday?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?

Because to many liberals, it does not fit their ideology. They simply can't account for it. They did not experience any limitations because of social class themselves and so they assume no one else did. Or they confuse self-interest with justice or intellectual inquiry with the creation of wildly inconsistent categories like "people of color" and they're unable to see how limiting these are.

Don't get me wrong, race matters, and matters a lot, independent of class. But in the end, a focus on explaining how Americans live their lives based only on race is asinine, short-sighted, and limited. And since nearly everyone is affected by the need to conform, any time you step out of line with the liberal ideology, you get attacked until you quiet down or fall in line.






Lol..wtf are you talking about?


The poor whites are generally concentrated in the South, they are uneducated, racist and vote overwhelmingly Republican.

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Truthfully despite MANY of the things that I listed above poor white kids have a legitimate gripe. There aren't many programs in place to help them climb of the black hole that is generational poverty.

Many argue that college campuses are not devoid of racial minorities but poor people.


MANY are probably right. The poor get screwed the most BUT they don't see one another as allies. Uniting of poor whites and minorities would bring about drastic change in our country. It's unlikely to happen because the powers that be have created enough division to last centuries.


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The poor whites are generally concentrated in the South, they are uneducated, racist and vote overwhelmingly Republican.


You should probably research this a bit more.

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White privilege really boils down to the MANY things that whites may take for granted that people of color don't. MANY whites are insulated from the impact racism has on MANY people and communities.


Nas, my guy, we need to have a whiskey and a cigar. You are really right here. Whites certainly have society geared toward them. Poor whites not as much but it absolutely exists.

The problem I think many whites especially males have is how this latest term is used rather than what is reality. I feel strongly that the vast majority of whites do not walk around like looking at all the privilege they enjoy. It is more likely someone being quite oblivious to what they see is normal and just live their life. There is no component of trying to take away from or deprive others. Remember I said vast majority not all.

The issue that I think gets whites riled up is how SJW's in these recent times use the term as a tool. They seem to act as if the vast majority of whites are somehow ACTIVELY trying to take advantage of some privilege and shame them for any success they may have in their lives. Your other post here explaining differences would be an example of how much better these people could enlighten people rather then the current tactics.

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Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?

Because to many liberals, it does not fit their ideology. They simply can't account for it. They did not experience any limitations because of social class themselves and so they assume no one else did. Or they confuse self-interest with justice or intellectual inquiry with the creation of wildly inconsistent categories like "people of color" and they're unable to see how limiting these are.

Don't get me wrong, race matters, and matters a lot, independent of class. But in the end, a focus on explaining how Americans live their lives based only on race is asinine, short-sighted, and limited. And since nearly everyone is affected by the need to conform, any time you step out of line with the liberal ideology, you get attacked until you quiet down or fall in line.


Wrong. It is because Chas NEVER says anything like that.

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White privilege really boils down to the MANY things that whites may take for granted that people of color don't. MANY whites are insulated from the impact racism has on MANY people and communities.


Nas, my guy, we need to have a whiskey and a cigar. You are really right here. Whites certainly have society geared toward them. Poor whites not as much but it absolutely exists.

The problem I think many whites especially males have is how this latest term is used rather than what is reality. [b] I feel strongly that the vast majority of whites do not walk around like looking at all the privilege they enjoy. It is more likely someone being quite oblivious to what they see is normal and just live their life. There is no component of trying to take away from or deprive others. Remember I said vast majority not all.
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The issue that I think gets whites riled up is how SJW's in these recent times use the term as a tool. They seem to act as if the vast majority of whites are somehow ACTIVELY trying to take advantage of some privilege and shame them for any success they may have in their lives. Your other post here explaining differences would be an example of how much better these people could enlighten people rather then the current tactics.


I completely understand and don't disagree. I think MANY times the explanation of their valid gripe comes off as dismissive.

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chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Agreed.

People need to see class as the real "us vs. them" rather than race.


How come when I say this(been saying this for years) I get told it is bullshit?

Because to many liberals, it does not fit their ideology. They simply can't account for it. They did not experience any limitations because of social class themselves and so they assume no one else did. Or they confuse self-interest with justice or intellectual inquiry with the creation of wildly inconsistent categories like "people of color" and they're unable to see how limiting these are.

Don't get me wrong, race matters, and matters a lot, independent of class. But in the end, a focus on explaining how Americans live their lives based only on race is asinine, short-sighted, and limited. And since nearly everyone is affected by the need to conform, any time you step out of line with the liberal ideology, you get attacked until you quiet down or fall in line.






Lol..wtf are you talking about?


The poor whites are generally concentrated in the South, they are uneducated, racist and vote overwhelmingly Republican.

312! The issue isn't "the poor," but the working class, which generally includes poor people. The issue is people who live check to check and are in hock to someone else. And they're all over the South, the Midwest, the Southwest....everywhere. Weren't you a Sanders guy, 312?

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The poor whites are generally concentrated in the South, they are uneducated, racist and vote overwhelmingly Republican.


You should probably research this a bit more.

:lol:

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I completely understand and don't disagree. I think MANY times the explanation of their valid gripe comes off as dismissive.

That's why I don't understand why you're enthusiastically pulling for Hillary....at least, it seems enthusiastic.

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Nas wrote:

I completely understand and don't disagree. I think MANY times the explanation of their valid gripe comes off as dismissive.

That's why I don't understand why you're enthusiastically pulling for Hillary....at least, it seems enthusiastic.



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pittmike wrote:
312player wrote:
The poor whites are generally concentrated in the South, they are uneducated, racist and vote overwhelmingly Republican.


You should probably research this a bit more.

READS JUST FINE

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