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JORR will come in here and shit on pLI and WPA so just ignore his drivel.

I had this thought multiple times yesterday...and really, throughout a good portion of the year: Kris Bryant does not come through in big situations. Without any statistics...just think about big Bryant hits this year versus someone like Russell...Rizzo...or hell, even Miguel Montero. I can think of a bunch of first inning KB solo shots...and there is no denying his RBI total...but when bases are loaded with 1 out in late innings...KB strikes out. Many times on 3 pitches.

Take a look at those graphs. Kris Bryant's numbers, in a vacuum, are FANTASTIC. And yet he is a negative, and near the bottom of the team, when it comes to WPA within a game.

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I agree and I don't need the numbers. I figured this out by just watching the games.

Whenever you need a big hit in a big situation you can pretty guarantee that he'll give you a shit at bat.

Rizzo is the MVP


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Lord help me but I agree with IMU.

The eyeball test will tell you this. Saw him swing right through a 95 mph heater right in his zone yesterday.

Give me Russell when the game is on the line...or Zobrist.

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I wonder if the Sox will part w/ Sale for Bryant & Arietta?


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IMU wrote:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2016/9/19/12965524/cubs-heroes-and-goats-game-149

JORR will come in here and shit on pLI and WPA so just ignore his drivel.

I had this thought multiple times yesterday...and really, throughout a good portion of the year: Kris Bryant does not come through in big situations. Without any statistics...just think about big Bryant hits this year versus someone like Russell...Rizzo...or hell, even Miguel Montero. I can think of a bunch of first inning KB solo shots...and there is no denying his RBI total...but when bases are loaded with 1 out in late innings...KB strikes out. Many times on 3 pitches.

Take a look at those graphs. Kris Bryant's numbers, in a vacuum, are FANTASTIC. And yet he is a negative, and near the bottom of the team, when it comes to WPA within a game.


"Drivel"? You're ridiculous. A clown talking about "clutch". Maybe Russell is the MVP.

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I wonder if the Sox will part w/ Sale for Bryant & Arietta?

Arrieta's on his way out of baseball. Would need a younger arm.

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Lord help me but I agree with IMU.

The eyeball test will tell you this. Saw him swing right through a 95 mph heater right in his zone yesterday.

Give me Russell when the game is on the line...or Zobrist.

Zobrist is even worse. He never strikes out...except with RISP. Then it is 100% guaranteed.

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IMU or Bryant?

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I agree and I don't need the numbers. I figured this out by just watching the games.

Whenever you need a big hit in a big situation you can pretty guarantee that he'll give you a shit at bat.

Rizzo is the MVP


100% agree.

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Hockey Gay wrote:
I agree and I don't need the numbers. I figured this out by just watching the games.

Whenever you need a big hit in a big situation you can pretty guarantee that he'll give you a shit at bat.

Rizzo is the MVP

He's a bumslayer of the highest order. Probably the last guy in the lineup I want up in a clutch situation.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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IMU or Bryant?

:lol:

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Hockey Gay wrote:
I agree and I don't need the numbers. I figured this out by just watching the games.

Whenever you need a big hit in a big situation you can pretty guarantee that he'll give you a shit at bat.

Rizzo is the MVP

He's a bumslayer of the highest order. Probably the last guy in the lineup I want up in a clutch situation.


I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a bum slayer. He can hit good pitching, and he can give you an early lead... I just don't want him up in the 8th tied 3-3 with 2 outs and runners on.

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IMU wrote:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2016/9/19/12965524/cubs-heroes-and-goats-game-149

JORR will come in here and shit on pLI and WPA so just ignore his drivel.

I had this thought multiple times yesterday...and really, throughout a good portion of the year: Kris Bryant does not come through in big situations. Without any statistics...just think about big Bryant hits this year versus someone like Russell...Rizzo...or hell, even Miguel Montero. I can think of a bunch of first inning KB solo shots...and there is no denying his RBI total...but when bases are loaded with 1 out in late innings...KB strikes out. Many times on 3 pitches.

Take a look at those graphs. Kris Bryant's numbers, in a vacuum, are FANTASTIC. And yet he is a negative, and near the bottom of the team, when it comes to WPA within a game.


"Drivel"? You're ridiculous. A clown talking about "clutch". Maybe Russell is the MVP.

argumentum ad hominem

Thanks for introducing this game. It is fantastic. I would have never guessed that all of your posting is considered one type of logical fallacy or another.

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IMU wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
IMU wrote:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2016/9/19/12965524/cubs-heroes-and-goats-game-149

JORR will come in here and shit on pLI and WPA so just ignore his drivel.

I had this thought multiple times yesterday...and really, throughout a good portion of the year: Kris Bryant does not come through in big situations. Without any statistics...just think about big Bryant hits this year versus someone like Russell...Rizzo...or hell, even Miguel Montero. I can think of a bunch of first inning KB solo shots...and there is no denying his RBI total...but when bases are loaded with 1 out in late innings...KB strikes out. Many times on 3 pitches.

Take a look at those graphs. Kris Bryant's numbers, in a vacuum, are FANTASTIC. And yet he is a negative, and near the bottom of the team, when it comes to WPA within a game.


"Drivel"? You're ridiculous. A clown talking about "clutch". Maybe Russell is the MVP.

argumentum ad hominem

Thanks for introducing this game. It is fantastic. I would have never guessed that all of your posting is considered one type of logical fallacy or another.


Youre goddamn right. I dont start that shit but I can indulge if others do. In any case, your premise re: Bryant is a bad one unless you think he is just a guy who wilts under pressure, which I doubt.

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I believe he lets the moment get the best of him, and he forgets to do the things that work for him in less pressured situations.

He is a pretty patient guy with a great eye for the zone...except when he isn't.

His skillset certainly is not the problem.

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I believe he lets the moment get the best of him, and he forgets to do the things that work for him in less pressured situations.

He is a pretty patient guy with a great eye for the zone...except when he isn't.

His skillset certainly is not the problem.


He's also a high strikeout guy, and in those situations, he is usually facing a reliever who is a strikeout guy with a great breaking ball.

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The reliever is also facing a star young hitter in MLB, who has a good eye and prodigious power.

I'd like Kris Bryant to make the reliever feel the stress, rather than Kris Bryant cowering in his spikes.

I'm not saying Bryant is bad. He is very good. He just isn't the MVP.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
I agree and I don't need the numbers. I figured this out by just watching the games.

Whenever you need a big hit in a big situation you can pretty guarantee that he'll give you a shit at bat.

Rizzo is the MVP

He's a bumslayer of the highest order. Probably the last guy in the lineup I want up in a clutch situation.


I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a bum slayer. He can hit good pitching, and he can give you an early lead... I just don't want him up in the 8th tied 3-3 with 2 outs and runners on.

Yea, he seems to have a HR against every good pitcher in the NL.

Bryant vs Kershaw in the first inning will probably be a good at bat.

Bryant vs some AAA journeyman call up in the 8th inning and the game on the line will result in a 3 pitch strike out.

It doesn't make any sense.


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He is not the MVP not for anything he does wrong but for everything Murphy has done correctly.

This is the problem with the Chicago media cheerleading local teams (notice I didn't say Cubs, they cheerlead others as well), we don't get a clear perspective on what is going on in our sport of choice outside of Chicago unless we actively engage outside sources. This leads to "Bears 173 Opponent -6" types of beliefs from fans.

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Difference between OPS in what B-R defines as "high leverage" vs "medium leverage"

Bryant 2016: .139
Sammy Sosa career: .082 (Sosa was the king of the 2 run homer when down 10-2 in the 9th)
David Ortiz career: .019

Bryant, as much as I like him, has some work to do this off-season.

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He is not the MVP not for anything he does wrong but for everything Murphy has done correctly.

This is the problem with the Chicago media cheerleading local teams (notice I didn't say Cubs, they cheerlead others as well), we don't get a clear perspective on what is going on in our sport of choice outside of Chicago unless we actively engage outside sources. This leads to "Bears 173 Opponent -6" types of beliefs from fans.

Do you check any sources for reference ever?

http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/09/13/kris-bryant-chicago-cubs-nl-mvp-race

http://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/mlb-betting-al-nl-mvp-award-odds

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/08/29/mlb-awards-watch-kris-bryant-jose-altuve-mvp-awards/89541310/

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/nl-mvp-power-rankings-can-daniel-murphy-catch-kris-bryant-in-final-stretch/amp/?client=safari

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Difference between OPS in what B-R defines as "high leverage" vs "medium leverage"

Bryant 2016: .139
Sammy Sosa career: .082 (Sosa was the king of the 2 run homer when down 10-2 in the 9th)
David Ortiz career: .019

Bryant, as much as I like him, has some work to do this off-season.


Ortiz' 2013 World Series line was .688/.760/1.188. In 3 career WS he's .455/.576/.795 (3 HR, 14 RBI).

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I'm not neutral on this, I feel anybody on Denver has a huge advantage and they are dead n buried...but if its numbers only on numbers then I got Arrenando 1 and Murphy 2./Kris 3 and Rizzo 4.

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Is there any problem with writers splitting the vote with Bryant and Rizzo?

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I had this thought multiple times yesterday...and really, throughout a good portion of the year: Kris Bryant does not come through in big situations. Without any statistics...just think about big Bryant hits this year versus someone like Russell...Rizzo...or hell, even Miguel Montero.


You wanna know what drivel is? This completely emotional and anecdotal "analysis" of a guy who is the best on his team by nearly every possible objective measure. And the selective examination of situations by a guy who considers them neutral with regard to Jose Quintana is as inconsistent as could be.

Whichever WAR you prefer, Bryant is nearly doubling the next closest guy on the team. It's funny in that the twin engines of modern baseball evaluation are the concepts that W/L record for pitchers and RBI for hitters are "meaningless" numbers beyond the player's control. But this criticism of Bryant is really nothing more than a complaint about his men left on or his lack of as many RBI as a fan would like him to have (in spite of the fact that he'll finish the season with 100+). And all of this expert "analysis" based upon nothing more than about 125 at-bats with runners in scoring position.

Where the fuck is Juice's Lecture Notes when we need him?

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