Exactly.

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Actually if a police officer is telling you to stop and you don't and you continue to reach into your car when your being told not to that pretty much is asking to die. It actually would put the officer in fear of his or her life because you have sone one that is not responding to commands and then you equate the unknown in there as well. I don't know how one could say that with a straight face.

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But if she thought it was a taser why not run forward to offer aid. After the shooting they slowly walked away leaving him to die on the ground. Or did she not figure out it was a gun until MUCH later.

The windows on the SUV looked closed to me on both videos.

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That fear is unfounded and unreasonable, that's the entire point of what I'm saying: not that the fear ins't there, but that it is unreasonable, and does not give proper cause to unload a magazine into a nonviolent, unarmed citizen.

Yowza.

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And hands appeared above his head and not reaching into a car.

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Everyone knows that black people keep their guns on top of their cars.

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CIJ. Before we go any further on this I have to ask two questions.

Do police knowingly, or unknowingly fuck up?

Do police lie on post incident reports to cover up a possible code of conduct violation?

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I watched the helicopter video and I watched the police car video. I couldn't really see if the windows were open or closed.

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A cop certainly has a degree of authority that needs to be followed. Not complying with an instruction immediately should not result in a beating or shooting. Use some common sense.

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When did it become an okay thing to just not do what a police officer tells you to do? You may not like it, you may think it is stupid but 99% of the time he is doing it for a legit reson. All these people who are getting killed and ramping up the tensions because of it there by making the police more prone to making mistakes like this would not happen? I was taught if you are told to sit down and shut up you do that, or if you are told to move on you do so. It seems now a days that people are more inclined to disreguard an order or to mouth off to the police making a harmless 20-30 second interaction into something more.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

In fairness to Chris, I don't think he was speaking specifically about this instance. He was responding in general to jln's point.

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Police fuck up all the time and they do cover it up all the time yes. I just don't know what the fuck happened here that would cause this officer to think they were even somewhat justified to shoot.

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1967.

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No one is saying its ok Chas. Everyone is talking about the result of non compliance.

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SO a cop should use common sense but the person that person that isn't smart enough to follow directions when a gun is pointed at them doesn't need to have common sense?

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I don't think that having a broken down vehicle in the road is worthy of having a gun drawn on me. The gun should never have been taken from its holster.

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She shouldn't have dressed that way if...

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yes, a person with the legal power to kill someone should use some common sense.

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see instead of talk you act like a total smarmy smartass. That guy in NY he was told three times to move on before they went to arrest him. He was doing something illegal,selling cigs. The cops where cutting him slack by not even writing him a ticket till they got pissed off that this guy refused to comply with their perfectly legit order. Sandra Bland, if she would have been just a little less of a smart ass she would have walked away with just a ticket. There was no way her family should have got a mil plus.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Not even close to that.

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You think Eric Garner deserved a death sentence for selling loose cigs? Are you insane?

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Murder is cool if the guy is being a smarmy smartass to you?

Open season on Bernstein!

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Yes and a person with a gun being pointed at them should also have enough sense to comply.

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I mean Crutcher had his hands up, and was slowly walking back to his vehicle. If there are 4 cops around, and this guy is being non compliant you physically try to restrain him first. If that doesn't work you taser him.

The guy needed help with a broken down SUV. Why the guns?

The only reason I can think of for Tulsa PD not releasing the beginning of the confrontation yet, would be that it makes the female cop look even more guilty. Think about it.

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No his death was tragic. If he would of acted and followed the officers legit and proper orders to move on three times before the attempt to arrest him he would be alive. Some of the fault is his for what happened.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Chas, you're my guy but that is like saying the wife deserved to get spmacked because she mouthed off.

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So in your mind there is no set of requirements for the use of lethal force other than "He/She didn't do what I said to do the moment I said it"

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sit down and shut up