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No. He wasn't leading the police on a high speed chase. He got killed by an officer and it was 100% the officers fault. People get arrested everyday without being killed.

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That is not even related. A police officer is empowered by society to do certain things such as uphold the law no matter how menial we may think. Come on man, saying that is you saying if a cop lights you up you can just keep going.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I 100 percent think the cop fucked up here and used deadly force when it was not needed. If he did reach into his car he was far enough away from it when he started that they should have been able to subdue him.

I think that if he wasn't complying with what they wanted then take him down and arrest him. Tackle him and cuff him if you must. If he reached into the car when he was told to stay away from the car then the cops probably felt their life was in danger.

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I don't care how they "feel". Unless they are physically in danger, they should not use lethal force. That's no different than you walking down the street and seeing two people walking towards you in the dark. You may feel like you are in danger but you don't get to haul out your weapon and start shooting.

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Bullshit, that is like saying you have a large ferocious guard dog.You put a sign up warning people,so if someone comes on your property to rob your house and your dog tears the guy up you are to blame no, the guy is to blame. Our society is so screwed up in that we have to question law and believe that only certain kind of laws need to be enforced fully is why we are falling apart.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I hear what you're saying CIJ. I just think bringing out the soul stealer instead of the electric pincher when the guy is telling you his SUV is broken down turned out to be a horrible mistake.

I'm still wondering why the initial confrontation hasn't been released yet.

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The cop certainly should he held to a higher standard. The cop is doing their job, the citizen is not trained for this

Someone tell this Pastor's loved ones that gang shootings are a much bigger problem than police shootings

Let's not get lost in analogy land. You said on the previous page this cop's actions are indefensible. Now it seems you are pivoting to defend the cop. Why?

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No it isn't like that at all. Garner was doing something illegal. The police told him to move on and he didn't comply. The police should have arrested him and charged him with a crime. That's the whole story from A-Z. He never should have been in danger of losing his life. The fact that he died is the officers fault. He didn't pull out a weapon and start threatening officers. He should have been cuffed and taken to the station.

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This is a terrible argument RPB. If a rare form of cancer affected me my family would think that was more important than heart disease but that doesn't necessarily make it so.

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That's the problem. Sometimes any movement at all = I feared for my life.

And often Big and Black is very scary to cops like Darren Wilson ("He was like a monster") and this person on the helicopter feed

If certain skin colors scare you, you shouldn't be a cop

Asking someone to comply with an officer that has a gun pointed at you really isn't that difficult.

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Not pointing a gun at someone that doesn't deserve it isn't really that difficult.

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Why not?

It's blaming the victim for the crimes committed against them based on their actions.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Have you seen a picture of Gardner? It took 3 guys to just take him to the ground. He was resisting the whole time. His death was unfortunate,the cop was wrong partially for using a "choke" hold. Come on what is this the WWE? Let's not make this cop as some Dirty Harry rouge type. Gardner was breaking the law, he was not issued a ticked even after been told to move on three times. Then he was told he was being arrested and he started to resist and unfortunately he was killed. So according to some of you guys if it looks like the offenders life is in danger we should just let him go? Maybe with a nice parting gift? What happened to the old adage,"Don't do the crime ,if you can't do the time."? I mean helll the Guy in the big office wants to abolish bail

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I guess this is a bad time to ask everyone about a poker game?

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You misunderstand my point for a second time in this thread. Guess I'm not being clear enough.

Its not that police shootings are a bigger problem. Its that even while there are bigger issues, police shootings still need to be addressed.

Saying "hey, we have this other problem, too" is pointless

Using your analogy, should we stop doing research on Heart disease because cancer is a bigger problem? Should we go to Heart disease charity events and say "Why aren't you guys raising money for cancer?"

Is "the time" for the crime of selling loose cigs supposed to be life?

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No I have said that, so what was to be done?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

For some it probably is. People get nervous on the radio with Bernstein. That same weirdo is supposed to turn into Fonzie when a gun is pointed at him?

Its not realistic. Total robotic compliance is a good policy bit its not always possible

I'm confused where I said that police shootings didn't need to be addressed. Its a problem. I think gang violence is a problem too. I didn't bring up gang violence either so I don't know why you even posted it... I assumed you were trolling or something.

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He should have been arrested and taken into custody and charged with a crime.

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Did you watch the video?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Yes several times, and you rightfully pointed out that the officer used a choke hold that he shouldn't have used. It was the officers fault that Garner died. People get arrested everyday and manage to not get killed. People resist arrest everyday and manage to not get killed.

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I think his size played a role. If he's 5'7"" and 140lbs he's probably alive too.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Wasn't directed at you. Not sure why you thought it was.

Its directed at the people who say "why dont you protest gang shootings ?" in response to protests against police shootings.

Tall Lives Matter

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