Exactly. It's amazing how many people hear this bullshit excuse of fearing for their life from an unarmed person and agree that it justifies murdering the unarmed person. There should be no debate about this latest video(and several others).

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How someone feels at any given moment shouldn't determine whether you can shoot a person. If you ARE in danger then go ahead and do what needs to be done.


Also, I've never felt like I was in danger for my life while accompanied by 4 visibly armed people and one unarmed person. If any one had a right to "feel" in danger it was the guy that had guns drawn on him for the crime of having a bad alternator.

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women cops caused this whole thing

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This woman should have never been a cop. Watched the video, no need for that silliness, there were 5 cops next to her. Some people are just bad at their jobs, sadly this cost the life of an innocent. Jailtime for Officer Tracy

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Actually Officer Betty Shelby.



Her husband was a cop in the circling helicopter. Her attorney is apparently saying she thought he was armed which, given a cursory reading of Oklahoma's wonky statutes, seems like a standard defense for cops in the state to satisfy the "excusable homicide" legislation:

Sounds like she definitely isn't going to jail AND she could actually keep her job.

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Probably in line for a promotion due to her emotional stress.

Fucking Oklahoma.

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I am at a loss for why this guy was even considered to be someone the police needed to draw weapons on. His car broke down for Pete's sake. Unless he was stoned or drunk and started making threats that we're not aware of, I just don't get it.

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that's one hell of a safety net...

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I would like to know more about this as well. Hopefully it all comes out and the cop gets prosecuted.

Aside from this case and responding to the many posts about whether there is a justifiable fear I have always been told the following. If you are in a situation and a cop has you pulled over and tells you to show your hands and keep them shown do not suddenly and without clear acknowledgement of the cop quickly reach into your center console or glove box. If you are out of a car and hands up etc and are being told not to move or reach into your car do not reach into your car. The cop knows not what you may grab and you may be tasered or shot.

That seems very clear to me and I can see how a cop may feel threatened. Unfortunately, this man in this case did none of these things wrong from what I saw and was murdered.

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I believe I read Tulsa cops have killed 28 people in the past 5 years. That seems high.

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According to the Guardian, 19 so far this year in the entire state of OK. Most killed by gunfire. Six unarmed. 12 white, 6 black, 1 Latino. 3 of the unarmed were black. OK has the third highest rate of killings (any kind) by cops among US states (in 2014).

In any case, the 28 killed seems accurate--Tulsa seems to average six per year, according to a different website. And an academic paper which I ain't gonna read.

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That's insane. With a legal defense built into their laws I guess it's okay to shoot to kill whenever you feel like it.

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Let me know if/when this changes ... I'll be a considerably more public person.

I think I'll start with Tom Driessen.

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The comedian?

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And, I think, a culture which just kind of assumes the perp must have had it coming. Maybe with all the degenerates out there, it is easy to think that, but it's probably also due to a lack of reporting and a lack of empathy.

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It's really this simple. Get better training and stop givong racists and cowards a license to murder.

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People often get criticized for suggesting the training issue....I'm not saying I am criticizing it, but some BLM activists are not fans.

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I agree with BLM on most things but you have to be pretty confused to be against police brutality/murder AND against more extensive police training.

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No, the salesguy from Wichita.

Tom was shitting up the 7th inning stretch whilst I was typing.

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I think they see it as a dodge for claims of racism ("It's not racism...it's just a training issue.") I could be wrong, though. Some say that it's an attempt at white-splaining. Whatevs. It does seem like a real issue, though.

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It's not a mutually exclusive thing. Police officers need much better training, and they also need to stop hiring shitheads and they need to have their unions stop defending having Nazis on the job. There's just a shitload of reform that is needed.

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I caddied for that guy once. Someone said he was a Famous Comedian, so I thought it would be good times. Unfortunately, he thought he was a better golfer than he was and he took it really, really seriously. The rest of the foursome was filled with absolute hacks, so Dreesen assumed the posture of the amused and wise pro, but after about two holes it was clear that he had no idea what he was talking about. He actually went back to see if his long drive of 228 yards held up throughout the day.

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Police kill (allegedly) armed man in NC. Violent protests erupt. Both victim and officer are balck.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /90755694/

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If the person was legally allowed to carry a firearm where is the line defined for police officers claiming they fear for their life? North Carolina allows open carry without a permit or license.

Can a police man just shoot any person they see with a gun?

I've read that if you have a licensed gun in your car or on your motorcycle it is best to declare it immediately, but most importantly have the police officer remove the weapon if they ask to see it. Do not ever reach for the gun, even if the cop asks you to. Just don't do it. It is your right to refuse that order, and have the police officer remove it.

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