yeah they do, brah! rationality means goal-oriented behavior. it's built in!

if you mean logic or some other human creation, then yeah, you're right. some of that can be taught, though.

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I'm comforted by the fact that at least one person acknowledges the human ability for logic that animals do not possess.

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My wife and I have a goldendoodle. Great dog. Doesn't shed, good with kids. I have pet allergies and have never had problems with her.

logic only takes you so far, though. it has definite weaknesses.

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Nice.....good to hear this.....was the dog healthy? I know some individuals from breeds like that can get sick while young...

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Well, some animals can speak I'm told.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yes, you are confused.

The ability to train an animal does not take rationality or logic. Nor does what you refer to as "social intelligence."

This was once common knowledge.

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Yep, perfectly healthy dog. Going on 3 years old. She is a mini goldendoodle, so only about 25 lbs. or so.

So Seacrest's big point here was that animals don't have the same brains as humans do? Great point!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

No, but no surprise that you are confused.

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Yes, it takes a true scholar to determine that humans have the most cognitive ability of any animal.

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I don't think anyone even came close to equating the intelligence of animals to humans before SC brought it up.

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Ah, thanks! Good to hear, too.....

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I personify my dog, sometimes internalizing/verbalizing what I imagine he thinks or would say if he had more developed cognitive abilities ("Hooman..." kind of stuff).

I suppose that makes me a "pet person'...and in the abstract such behavior is rather odd.

Yeah, I'm not the one that brought it up. But hey, accuracy isn't important here.

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I realize I may sound like a dog "homer," but you are correct, and we continue to learn more about dogs in particular all the time. I just read a book last year called "Inside of a Dog". It was written by an animal behaviorist at U of Michigan? I could have the school wrong. Very interesting stuff, and she goes to great lengths not to anthropomorphize the dogs and view how they behave objectively.

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You're a really sick man.

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Seacrest is doing his thing where he says something, and then claims he didn't say it, and then fails to explain what he said.

Just leave him be...

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No, that's exactly the point you were making. Except as usual, you clouded it in a bunch of bullshit meaningless terms to obfuscate your point because it was dipshit obvious point.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I have that voice too. Glad I'm not the only one.

They aren't as intelligent and are't logical but they do communicate and pick up on things. My dog is pretty in tune with our house, family, and things.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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True

How I feel about this thread now...

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I quoted another poster. Or did you miss that too?

My point, lost on only you apparently, is that dressing up animals and treating them like they are like us is odd. I stated that much.

I occasionally read what you post. That you find the word "logic" to be be "meaningless" is no surprise either.

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If only that was a real train. One less cat.

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great show

Right up there with Gumby for best Claymation of all time

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I hate cats and am kind of afraid of them.