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This is the problem with leaderless protests. They start off great and important and slowly the lack of direction and purpose ends up with so many different goals that it all becomes useless. The same thing happened with "Occupy Wall Street". They capture attention but they are not able to covert it into step 2 which is how to make actual change. I agree with many of the things they are bringing up but even I don't really know what they actually want me to do.

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Not a shooting but still.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -bike.html

It's like a tragic comedy.

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I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


Feel bad for being a white male.

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What you get for being white when these idiots are protesting. Would've been an interesting case if he were a C&C guy and ventilated a couple of these assholes. Reasonable fear for his life?

https://twitter.com/jamalrustler/status/778943903550636032

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What you get for being white when these idiots are protesting. Would've been an interesting case if he were a C&C guy and ventilated a couple of these assholes. Reasonable fear for his life?

https://twitter.com/jamalrustler/status/778943903550636032


Pretty sick video. The underclass is pissed off in this country. There were violent outbursts at with some of the Occupy protests as well. Plenty of people who feel like they have nothing to lose.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
This is the problem with leaderless protests. They start off great and important and slowly the lack of direction and purpose ends up with so many different goals that it all becomes useless. The same thing happened with "Occupy Wall Street". They capture attention but they are not able to covert it into step 2 which is how to make actual change. I agree with many of the things they are bringing up but even I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


Change, in regards to the original message of ending police killings, is occurring but it is underreported.

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What you get for being white when these idiots are protesting. Would've been an interesting case if he were a C&C guy and ventilated a couple of these assholes. Reasonable fear for his life?

https://twitter.com/jamalrustler/status/778943903550636032


Pretty sick video. The underclass is pissed off in this country. There were violent outbursts at with some of the Occupy protests as well. Plenty of people who feel like they have nothing to lose.

Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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What you get for being white when these idiots are protesting. Would've been an interesting case if he were a C&C guy and ventilated a couple of these assholes. Reasonable fear for his life?

https://twitter.com/jamalrustler/status/778943903550636032


Pretty sick video. The underclass is pissed off in this country. There were violent outbursts at with some of the Occupy protests as well. Plenty of people who feel like they have nothing to lose.

Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.

Those are racist african American people clinging to a BLM protest as a means to act on their prejudice beliefs.

They deserve a beat down, but I'm not gonna go into police officer mode and say they need to be shot.

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Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.


In a country with an african american president and african american District Attorney, with a police organization ran by a african american police chief.

Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE. People just love to ignore facts because their "feelings" are hurt.

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Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE.
What does that mean?

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Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE.
What does that mean?

Sounds very similar to something Hannity said last night for the 5 minutes I had Fox News on.

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Video of the shooting victim's brother: "All White People Are F***ing Devils’: More Protests Promised After Deadly Charlotte Police Shooting"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/09/21/all-white-people-are-fing-devils-more-protests-promised-after-deadly-charlotte-police-shooting/

And this is what Hillary is legit saying?! Am I in crazy land?

"HILLARY CLINTON: Maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, 'Look, this is not who we are.'

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/20/hillary_clinton_maybe_i_can_by_speaking_directly_to_white_people_explain_this_is_not_who_we_are.html

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
cluv8484 wrote:
Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE.
What does that mean?


Are either guys imprisoned right now? Witnesses and physical evidence prove Martin was on top of that idiot zimmerman beating him, and michael brown attacked the officer....not to mention zimmerman isn't even white, if he is then so is Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?_r=1
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witnesses/story?id=19517236

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
This is the problem with leaderless protests. They start off great and important and slowly the lack of direction and purpose ends up with so many different goals that it all becomes useless. The same thing happened with "Occupy Wall Street". They capture attention but they are not able to covert it into step 2 which is how to make actual change. I agree with many of the things they are bringing up but even I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


They often don't even know what they want. You have to be demanding specific change or you won't even be able to know if you accomplished what you set out to do.

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I will say the Tulsa shooting seems completely bullshit. Woman needs to go away for a long time.

It's a very easy resolution. COMPLY...COMPLY...COMPLY

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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.

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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.

Idk if you're trolling, but the FBI has used those tactics in the past. Wouldn't surprise me, but BLM still is a leaderless mess.

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This is the problem with leaderless protests. They start off great and important and slowly the lack of direction and purpose ends up with so many different goals that it all becomes useless. The same thing happened with "Occupy Wall Street". They capture attention but they are not able to covert it into step 2 which is how to make actual change. I agree with many of the things they are bringing up but even I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


They often don't even know what they want. You have to be demanding specific change or you won't even be able to know if you accomplished what you set out to do.


Exactly why I think the Kaepernick movement is nothing more than a toothless gesture.

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Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE.
What does that mean?


Are either guys imprisoned right now? Witnesses and physical evidence prove Martin was on top of that idiot zimmerman beating him, and michael brown attacked the officer....not to mention zimmerman isn't even white, if he is then so is Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?_r=1
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witnesses/story?id=19517236
You said "proven false". Where did that happen?

No one doubts a struggle took place with Martin. Zimmerman was chasing him with a gun. As for Brown, that is simply the officer's account which also does not match witness testimony or simple questions like why he shot him 12 times.

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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.


This I might actually believe, but not sure it's as much to end it as it may be to cause further disruption. Why do you think BLM is getting $100M donations from Ford.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/

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At the same time, the Black Lives Matter movement has benefited from the largesse of top Democratic donors, including billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Foundations and the Center for American Progress. Mr. Soros gave in one year an estimated $33 million to the cause.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/black-lives-matter-rips-democrats-leaked-memo-how-/

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What you get for being white when these idiots are protesting. Would've been an interesting case if he were a C&C guy and ventilated a couple of these assholes. Reasonable fear for his life?

https://twitter.com/jamalrustler/status/778943903550636032


Pretty sick video. The underclass is pissed off in this country. There were violent outbursts at with some of the Occupy protests as well. Plenty of people who feel like they have nothing to lose.

Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.

Those are racist african American people clinging to a BLM protest as a means to act on their prejudice beliefs.

They deserve a beat down, but I'm not gonna go into police officer mode and say they need to be shot.


They're cowards.

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cluv8484 wrote:
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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.


This I might actually believe, but not sure it's as much to end it as it may be to cause further disruption. Why do you think BLM is getting $100M donations from Ford.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/

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At the same time, the Black Lives Matter movement has benefited from the largesse of top Democratic donors, including billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Foundations and the Center for American Progress. Mr. Soros gave in one year an estimated $33 million to the cause.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/black-lives-matter-rips-democrats-leaked-memo-how-/


Where in the fuck is that money disappearing to? That's shady as hell. I don't see a well funded movement when I turn on the TV.

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No one doubts a struggle took place with Martin. Zimmerman was chasing him with a gun. As for Brown, that is simply the officer's account which also does not match witness testimony or simple questions like why he shot him 12 times.


Brown: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/h ... lse-216736

Zimmerman clearly has issues. But if someone is threatening you with a gun would you attack them or just get the hell away from them? If your on top of a guy beating him and he is armed, you'll never win that case they will always be able to claim their life felt threatened. Better to stay away if your unarmed. But again, he was a kid.

Everything is a mess and I dont' understand how a cop can even come close to pulling the trigger unless they genuinly see a gun or there is absolutely zero compliance. It's a problem, but I would think the gang violence would warrant riots in large before 15-20 questionable shootings a year by police officers.

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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.

Idk if you're trolling, but the FBI has used those tactics in the past. Wouldn't surprise me, but BLM still is a leaderless mess.


I have no proof but that is my gut feeling . I've heard MANY reporters and people on the ground say "It was a peaceful protest until a group in the crowd started_____" too often. The timing of MANY are suspicious.

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Government agent provocateurs are posing as protesters. We've seen this happen MANY times. They're trying to discredit BLM and end this movement. MANY have said that the people causing the most problems aren't from the city or state they are causing problems in.

Idk if you're trolling, but the FBI has used those tactics in the past. Wouldn't surprise me, but BLM still is a leaderless mess.


I have no proof but that is my gut feeling . I've heard MANY reporters and people on the ground say "It was a peaceful protest until a group in the crowd started_____" too often. The timing of MANY are suspicious.


There are professional protestors that travel from place to place like it's a career, but I would not doubt that the FBI has people planted in the BLM movement.

And for where did the money raised for the movement go? It went to race hustlers like this white douchebag: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... es-go.html

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No one doubts a struggle took place with Martin. Zimmerman was chasing him with a gun. As for Brown, that is simply the officer's account which also does not match witness testimony or simple questions like why he shot him 12 times.


Brown: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/h ... lse-216736

Zimmerman clearly has issues. But if someone is threatening you with a gun would you attack them or just get the hell away from them? If your on top of a guy beating him and he is armed, you'll never win that case they will always be able to claim their life felt threatened. Better to stay away if your unarmed. But again, he was a kid.

Everything is a mess and I dont' understand how a cop can even come close to pulling the trigger unless they genuinly see a gun or there is absolutely zero compliance. It's a problem, but I would think the gang violence would warrant riots in large before 15-20 questionable shootings a year by police officers.
You still haven't stated why it was "proven false".

Brown was still shot TWELVE times while being unarmed.

Martin was chased by a guy with a gun and then was killed by that man.

Both of these things were wrong and should not have happened. Legally, it may have been able to walk the line enough to avoid conviction but it still was wrong.

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No one doubts a struggle took place with Martin. Zimmerman was chasing him with a gun. As for Brown, that is simply the officer's account which also does not match witness testimony or simple questions like why he shot him 12 times.


Brown: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/h ... lse-216736

Zimmerman clearly has issues. But if someone is threatening you with a gun would you attack them or just get the hell away from them? If your on top of a guy beating him and he is armed, you'll never win that case they will always be able to claim their life felt threatened. Better to stay away if your unarmed. But again, he was a kid.

Everything is a mess and I dont' understand how a cop can even come close to pulling the trigger unless they genuinly see a gun or there is absolutely zero compliance. It's a problem, but I would think the gang violence would warrant riots in large before 15-20 questionable shootings a year by police officers.
You still haven't stated why it was "proven false".

Brown was still shot TWELVE times while being unarmed.

Martin was chased by a guy with a gun and then was killed by that man.

Both of these things were wrong and should not have happened. Legally, it may have been able to walk the line enough to avoid conviction but it still was wrong.

The "HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT" narrative was a complete lie. The physical evidence never matched up; neither did the witness testimony. Everybody who claimed they saw him surrendering with his hands up were found to be unreliable in their testimony by the DOJ. The full report is out there and you can read it online. I don't know why he shot him so many times, but the evidence did not support the claims of Wilson going open season on Brown while he was politely surrendering with his hands up.


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