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Feel bad for being a white male.


Yup, You are a white male in America. You are everyones bitch

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Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.


In a country with an african american president and african american District Attorney, with a police organization ran by a african american police chief.

Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE. People just love to ignore facts because their "feelings" are hurt.

Oh Cluv....

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Electing a half black President didn't end racism, it probably strengthened it (enraging racists)

Zimmerman is a wanmna be cop that got away with murder and Darren Wilson was afraid of large black men ("He was like a demon")

So even if Martin was on top or Michael Browns shooting (the first couple shots) was justified, both incidents show the problematic nature in which some view black
people


To claim that electing Obama made racism worse because it angered racists is ridiculous. Perhaps it made racists louder, but it did not make anything worse. Of all the stuff Obama gets blamed for that might be the most absurd.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


Feel bad for being a white male.


Yup, You are a white male in America. You are everyones bitch

We have it very tough


White people all have it great. Sure. White people are born with original sin for slavery. It's just stupid. White people is a pretty broad brush to paint. And there are millions of white males that are not doing well, and were born into terrible circumstances.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... ly/433863/

It's simply stupid to label white people as if it is a group of people whose fates are tied together, or as a unified group that is either oppressing or able to "uplift" black people in our current economic system.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
cluv8484 wrote:
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Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.


In a country with an african american president and african american District Attorney, with a police organization ran by a african american police chief.

Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE. People just love to ignore facts because their "feelings" are hurt.

Oh Cluv....

Still love your style

Electing a half black President didn't end racism, it probably strengthened it (enraging racists)

Zimmerman is a wanmna be cop that got away with murder and Darren Wilson was afraid of large black men ("He was like a demon")

So even if Martin was on top or Michael Browns shooting (the first couple shots) was justified, both incidents show the problematic nature in which some view black
people


To claim that electing Obama made racism worse because it angered racists is ridiculous. Perhaps it made racists louder, but it did not make anything worse. Of all the stuff Obama gets blamed for that might be the most absurd.

I'm not blaming Obama, you said exactly what I said. It made them louder or "enraging racists.

There are a contingent of peoe who blame him. I work with a very right wing guy who calls him he great divider"


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
cluv8484 wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.


In a country with an african american president and african american District Attorney, with a police organization ran by a african american police chief.

Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE. People just love to ignore facts because their "feelings" are hurt.

Oh Cluv....

Still love your style

Electing a half black President didn't end racism, it probably strengthened it (enraging racists)

Zimmerman is a wanmna be cop that got away with murder and Darren Wilson was afraid of large black men ("He was like a demon")

So even if Martin was on top or Michael Browns shooting (the first couple shots) was justified, both incidents show the problematic nature in which some view black
people


To claim that electing Obama made racism worse because it angered racists is ridiculous. Perhaps it made racists louder, but it did not make anything worse. Of all the stuff Obama gets blamed for that might be the most absurd.


I gotta say man, if racists got louder, then racism probably got worse after Obama was elected.

I saw it personally at work, or with my family, and definitely on the Internet. White and Latino people predominantly had a president who they could vent all their pent up/usually private thoughts about black people on. An added bonus was getting racist about Obama's policies, and rationalizing ways said policies were only for black people. Of course conservative radio (and Fox News) not only fanned these flames, they dumped fucking gasoline all over it.

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I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

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I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Probably so.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


Feel bad for being a white male.


Yup, You are a white male in America. You are everyones bitch

We have it very tough


White people all have it great. Sure. White people are born with original sin for slavery. It's just stupid. White people is a pretty broad brush to paint. And there a millions of white males that are not doing well, and were born into terrible circumstances.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... ly/433863/

It's simply stupid to label white people as if it is a group of people whose fates are tied together, or as a unified group that is either oppressing or able to "uplift" black people in our current economic system.

I did.t say or imply every white person has it grear.

But racism and sexism are pretty two pretty big things we don't have to deal with

In my personal experience, I've never had any problems because of "the original Sim of slavery" but maybe for others its a big problem


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Obama being elected didn't cure anything but it certainly indicated progression in thinking and action. It's hard to argue any other way. That would have been a non starter one generation prior and he breezed through an election.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
cluv8484 wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Black guy is shot by black officer. Rioters attack white guy. Makes sense.


In a country with an african american president and african american District Attorney, with a police organization ran by a african american police chief.

Trevon Martin and Michael Brown were both proven to be FALSE. People just love to ignore facts because their "feelings" are hurt.

Oh Cluv....

Still love your style

Electing a half black President didn't end racism, it probably strengthened it (enraging racists)

Zimmerman is a wanmna be cop that got away with murder and Darren Wilson was afraid of large black men ("He was like a demon")

So even if Martin was on top or Michael Browns shooting (the first couple shots) was justified, both incidents show the problematic nature in which some view black
people


To claim that electing Obama made racism worse because it angered racists is ridiculous. Perhaps it made racists louder, but it did not make anything worse. Of all the stuff Obama gets blamed for that might be the most absurd.

I'm not blaming Obama, you said exactly what I said. It made them louder or "enraging racists.

There are a contingent of peoe who blame him. I work with a very right wing guy who calls him he great divider"


I don't think electing Obama made anyone more racist or made our racial divide worse. I can't even imagine all the bullshit that he had to put up with, but blaming him for racial unrest is about about as low as it gets.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Not suspects though. Criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for sure.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Not suspects though. Criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for sure.


Exactly the "suspects" like you see here....I feel like everyone in this country should hear these words and watch this...

Ben Shapiro defeats Black Lives Matter argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU

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Obama being elected didn't cure anything but it certainly indicated progression in thinking and action. It's hard to argue any other way. That would have been a non starter one generation prior and he breezed through an election.

I agree on the progress part.

At the same time Obama said some things (that are true) about racism and police that fired up a lot of hate. Some say any acknowledgment of racism at all is "fanning the flames"

Its not his fault though. Truth hurts sometimes


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This is old, but this guy is a beast to take a blast of pepper spray to the face and not even flinch. I'd take him into battle, however he may not be the brightest bulb in the box:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YmTdMW9uSQ

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cluv8484 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Not suspects though. Criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for sure.


Exactly the "suspects" like you see here....I feel like everyone in this country should hear these words and watch this...

Ben Shapiro utterly demolishes every Black Lives Matter argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU
I'd recommend toning it down a little. This is not a good reply by you.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
cluv8484 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Not suspects though. Criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for sure.


Exactly the "suspects" like you see here....I feel like everyone in this country should hear these words and watch this...

Ben Shapiro defeats Black Lives Matter argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU
I'd recommend toning it down a little. This is not a good reply by you.


Eh it was copy and paste wording. if you mean the video, I guess you just like to ignore facts.

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I didn't realize Steve Clevenger was a piece of shit when he was here in Chicago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /90873978/

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I didn't realize Steve Clevenger was a piece of shit when he was here in Chicago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /90873978/


His comment about animals is bad. The rest is not racist.

The people rioting were CRIMINALS! That was by no means a peaceful protest. People who hurl rocks at police, people who break into buldings and loot, people who strip a man naked and beat him 15 on 1 are criminals. Criminals should be locked up.

This is exactly what liberals want. If you don't support BLM you are considered "racist". In what world does that makes sense? BLM is a terrorist organization. Obama and Hillary and Soros promote this exact scenario we had in Charlotte...

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That Ben Shapiro video was pretty terrible.


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That Ben Shapiro video was pretty terrible.


In that Ben is bad? or the images are bad?

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cluv8484 wrote:
IMU wrote:
I didn't realize Steve Clevenger was a piece of shit when he was here in Chicago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /90873978/


His comment about animals is bad. The rest is not racist.

The people rioting were CRIMINALS! That was by no means a peaceful protest. People who hurl rocks at police, people who break into buldings and loot, people who strip a man naked and beat him 15 on 1 are criminals. Criminals should be locked up.

This is exactly what liberals want. If you don't support BLM you are considered "racist". In what world does that makes sense? BLM is a terrorist organization. Obama and Hillary and Soros promote this exact scenario we had in Charlotte...

How is Obama pathetic, exactly?

Also, these riots are no longer about any single act of police violence. A trend has been identified. The details may change...some cases may be more gray than others...but there is absolutely no doubt that a stop involving a white person is much different than a stop involving a black person.

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Example...I was not outraged about Michael Brown.

Terence Crutcher is a different story.

And unless there was some breaking news, wasn't the Charlotte dude reading a book? I view books as more nerdy than thuggish.

We need these pipeline protest dummies to actually protest something better. These Native Americans that want to segregate themselves from America need to be protected because USA! but real Americans getting shot up because of their skin color is nbd.

We're so fucked.

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cluv8484 wrote:
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I didn't realize Steve Clevenger was a piece of shit when he was here in Chicago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /90873978/


His comment about animals is bad. The rest is not racist.

The people rioting were CRIMINALS! That was by no means a peaceful protest. People who hurl rocks at police, people who break into buldings and loot, people who strip a man naked and beat him 15 on 1 are criminals. Criminals should be locked up.

This is exactly what liberals want. If you don't support BLM you are considered "racist". In what world does that makes sense? BLM is a terrorist organization. Obama and Hillary and Soros promote this exact scenario we had in Charlotte...


If you just forget about the racist parts, it wasn't racist at all. :lol:

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Example...I was not outraged about Michael Brown.

Terence Crutcher is a different story.

And unless there was some breaking news, wasn't the Charlotte dude reading a book? I view books as more nerdy than thuggish.

We need these pipeline protest dummies to actually protest something better. These Native Americans that want to segregate themselves from America need to be protected because USA! but real Americans getting shot up because of their skin color is nbd.

We're so fucked.

Not that it matters but a gun was found , no sign of a book.

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And unless there was some breaking news, wasn't the Charlotte dude reading a book? I view books as more nerdy than thuggish.


The only people that said the Charlotte guy was reading a book were his own family.

I guess someone caught him with a gun on video.

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Eh it was copy and paste wording. if you mean the video, I guess you just like to ignore facts.
I'm not ignoring the facts. I'm ignoring the racist conclusions it attempts to draw by misuing facts. That video was horrible all around.

Go ahead and summarize the big conclusions in that video and tell me what they are and then we can decide.

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I do not want to start a shit storm of sound like an insensitive jerk here .


In pure mathematical term we will never totally eliminate accidental shootings. It is statistically impossible. All that can be done is do everything to move the percentage towards zero as much as possible. This is a two way street,both sides-civilian and officer- will need to work to make that number shrink. It is not possible to make the number the smallest possible with out both sides working to do so.
So there are 809000 people in the USA with arrest powers that we will call police officers. Lets say they have 1 interaction per hour that might involve possibility to escalation.Might be more or less depending on area but we are looking for a mean. so that works out to 7086840000 interactions per year. There where 1000 shootings where death was involved,so if we increase that number by 6 fold
to show total number of shootings we get 6000 number of police involved shootings per year. We get 1 shooting per 1181140 interaction. That is a fairly decent number. Now I am just doing a quick calculation so I am doing Raw numbers not taking race into account.
There are numerous was to decrease the percentage and the govt is working on the police side with some straight forward ways , like body cams,dashcams,tasers and better/more training. The part that is going to be hard to move the number is coming from the civilian side of the equation. How often to we see video footage of civilian vs police interaction where just not the perpetrator but the civilians around the incident site for lack of a better term not being helpful/cooperative with police. So no matter how much we move the number from the police side it will not be at its maximum effect unless the civilian part of the equation moves as well.

Another thing that a lot of people seem to forget is the factor that adrenaline plays in these situations. When it gets pumping through you lots of things change in your body. It also tends to trigger the flight or fly response. People ask ,why did the officer discharge his weapon 12 times? Well, his heart rate was way up his body was working at peak output and 9 out of 10 times he did not realize it. You read about stuff like this from combat vets.It is one of the reasons most states are making it a felony to run from the police, you are making shit dangerous for everyone involved.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
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I don't really know what they actually want me to do.


Feel bad for being a white male.


Yup, You are a white male in America. You are everyones bitch

We have it very tough


White people all have it great. Sure. White people are born with original sin for slavery. It's just stupid. White people is a pretty broad brush to paint. And there a millions of white males that are not doing well, and were born into terrible circumstances.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... ly/433863/

It's simply stupid to label white people as if it is a group of people whose fates are tied together, or as a unified group that is either oppressing or able to "uplift" black people in our current economic system.

I did.t say or imply every white person has it grear.

But racism and sexism are pretty two pretty big things we don't have to deal with

In my personal experience, I've never had any problems because of "the original Sim of slavery" but maybe for others its a big problem


There has never been a time in your life where you were at a disadvantage or felt out of place because of your race? I've been yelled at for "being in the wrong neighborhood" for walking to visit friends living in a "developing" part of the city. It happens with female co-workers as well. Men don't have as good of memories. Men are too blunt and not tactful enough. I've had a black police officer frisk me and throw me in the black of a squad car as he looked for warrants on me after a 15 over speeding ticket.

Basically, everyone has to deal with bullshit from time to time. I realize that black people deal with more stereotyping, but the idea that it's more racist now or that society has it out for black people I don't agree with. I'm sure the vast majority of us grew up with people of other races. I don't think that race matters in those cases. It's where and how you were raised.

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Another thing that a lot of people seem to forget is the factor that adrenaline plays in these situations. When it gets pumping through you lots of things change in your body. It also tends to trigger the flight or fly response. People ask ,why did the officer discharge his weapon 12 times? Well, his heart rate was way up his body was working at peak output and 9 out of 10 times he did not realize it. You read about stuff like this from combat vets.It is one of the reasons most states are making it a felony to run from the police, you are making shit dangerous for everyone involved.


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Peeps I agree, did you notice I said they where they are getting better/more training.
As to that blurb I can point to to a ton of stories where someone gets spooked and it sets off an entire units going full auto on noting but shadows. I am talking a Company(100+).

edit: another thing. The Military limits the amount of time a soldier spends in combat before he is rotated out for rest. There is also another point where the soldier is considered combat ineffective not to be returned to combat. We do not do this to police.

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