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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:42 am 
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I do not want to start a shit storm of sound like an insensitive jerk here .


In pure mathematical term we will never totally eliminate accidental shootings. It is statistically impossible. All that can be done is do everything to move the percentage towards zero as much as possible. This is a two way street,both sides-civilian and officer- will need to work to make that number shrink. It is not possible to make the number the smallest possible with out both sides working to do so.
So there are 809000 people in the USA with arrest powers that we will call police officers. Lets say they have 1 interaction per hour that might involve possibility to escalation.Might be more or less depending on area but we are looking for a mean. so that works out to 7086840000 interactions per year. There where 1000 shootings where death was involved,so if we increase that number by 6 fold
to show total number of shootings we get 6000 number of police involved shootings per year. We get 1 shooting per 1181140 interaction. That is a fairly decent number. Now I am just doing a quick calculation so I am doing Raw numbers not taking race into account.
There are numerous was to decrease the percentage and the govt is working on the police side with some straight forward ways , like body cams,dashcams,tasers and better/more training. The part that is going to be hard to move the number is coming from the civilian side of the equation. How often to we see video footage of civilian vs police interaction where just not the perpetrator but the civilians around the incident site for lack of a better term not being helpful/cooperative with police. So no matter how much we move the number from the police side it will not be at its maximum effect unless the civilian part of the equation moves as well.

Another thing that a lot of people seem to forget is the factor that adrenaline plays in these situations. When it gets pumping through you lots of things change in your body. It also tends to trigger the flight or fly response. People ask ,why did the officer discharge his weapon 12 times? Well, his heart rate was way up his body was working at peak output and 9 out of 10 times he did not realize it. You read about stuff like this from combat vets.It is one of the reasons most states are making it a felony to run from the police, you are making shit dangerous for everyone involved.


There are two solutions: have the police stop carrying guns and eliminate the police. (Credit to Jorr on the later.)

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A problem I have with the police shootings is people make a big deal about excessive force and the 12th shot. In my mind, at the point round 1 is fired, there is no longer excessive force. If you are firing a gun, there is no intent to wound. Its to kill someone and dead is dead.

The burden and potential penalty for firing round 1 should be much higher. I recall in the Chicago car thief video, the officer body cam should how upset he was for shooting since that would require a 30 day desk sentence. That seems really fucked up to me.


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Eh it was copy and paste wording. if you mean the video, I guess you just like to ignore facts.
I'm not ignoring the facts. I'm ignoring the racist conclusions it attempts to draw by misuing facts. That video was horrible all around.

Go ahead and summarize the big conclusions in that video and tell me what they are and then we can decide.


You people believe that he really had a book just because his daughter, who wasn't there, said so?!? Are you serious? The cops have video of him with a gun!

My conclusion is that rioting is absolute nonsense that makes the BLM's cause look atrocious. Why are they rioting and shutting cities down over 10-15 questionable shootings a year when there are 300 people killed a month on Chicago's south side. Why is BLM not in Englewood marching and helping to develop the community if they care? Because there is an agenda here to fan the flames of racism. Do you know how many interactions happen daily in high crime areas? And maybe every 2-3 weeks there is a questionable shooting, half of which prove to be justified like Michael brown. The cop vs high community crime are independent issues, but the fact BLM doesn't cause a scene over the latter is what cuts their legs out from under them.

My conclusion from Ben Shapiro's video would be that the African American community is suffering from high economic suffering. This can be resolved by increasing the graduation rates and maybe, just maybe, work on a 72% fatherless childbirth rate. That is BEYOND COMPREHENSION. That just leads into a perpetual wheel of high crime because people can not become stable financially and continue to live in poverty and continue to feed the pipeline of gang violence which forces cops into the scenario. Thugs hate cops and see them as the evil since gangs thrive on illegal trade to support them financially. Thus criminals run and confront cops instead of comply. This is seen by the kids and non criminals in the neighborhoods and empathy is on the side of the criminal since that is who they know. Thus it becomes that everyone builds up a confrontational view of cops.

Those 2 items in my eyes are the biggest problems. It is a cultural issue before a race issue. This is without even pulling up the statistics that show more whites are killed by each year by police than blacks. People in general appear to not want to accept facts. That's what the Ben Shaprio video is, it is facts backed up by statistics. I don't know if it's just the media having pounded this home so much on everybody, but it's scary how if your not supporting something your seen as the devil.

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Shapiro's argument(s) was/were awful.

"If there is evidence of racism then its racism"
"if there's no evidence of racism then it can't be racism"
OK....no idea of the point he's trying to make there.

Then his whining about why wouldn't blacks riots when their mayor is black, police chief is black, etc was intentionally ignorant.


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There are two solutions: have the police stop carrying guns and eliminate the police. (Credit to Jorr on the later.)


Cool story. Lawlesness. So then when an event like the NYC bombings goes down, your going to sign up to hunt that guy down? Don't you just take on role of the police then?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:49 am 
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Shapiro's argument(s) was/were awful.

"If there is evidence of racism then its racism"
"if there's no evidence of racism then it can't be racism"
OK....no idea of the point he's trying to make there.

Then his whining about why wouldn't blacks riots when their mayor is black, police chief is black, etc was intentionally ignorant.


Because the guy he is arguing is providing no examples of racism, so the arguer says "I'm human, of course there must be racism". WHAT?! You agree with THIS? Are you kidding me?

How is that ignorant when they are rioting against the white oppression, yet the leaders he is pointing out are all black? So its black on black racism?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:50 am 
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Peeps I agree, did you notice I said they where they are getting better/more training.
As to that blurb I can point to to a ton of stories where someone gets spooked and it sets off an entire units going full auto on noting but shadows. I am talking a Company(100+).

edit: another thing. The Military limits the amount of time a soldier spends in combat before he is rotated out for rest. There is also another point where the soldier is considered combat ineffective not to be returned to combat. We do not do this to police.


I saw it recently but forgot about it until I saw your post.

Just figured I'd share.

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I will concede that my views are different than most on here and that is ok. Think we all want innocent people to never have a gun pointed at them, let alone lose a life when it can be avoided. How we get there and the reasons we are not there now are just different in our eyes. I'm gonna try and shut up now.

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Peeps I agree, did you notice I said they where they are getting better/more training.
As to that blurb I can point to to a ton of stories where someone gets spooked and it sets off an entire units going full auto on noting but shadows. I am talking a Company(100+).

edit: another thing. The Military limits the amount of time a soldier spends in combat before he is rotated out for rest. There is also another point where the soldier is considered combat ineffective not to be returned to combat. We do not do this to police.


I saw it recently but forgot about it until I saw your post.

Just figured I'd share.


So you post and run again.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:54 am 
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cluv8484 wrote:
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I think there is a good portion of society that thinks that the life of 1 officer is more important than the lives of 100 suspects.

Not suspects though. Criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for sure.


Exactly the "suspects" like you see here....I feel like everyone in this country should hear these words and watch this...

Ben Shapiro defeats Black Lives Matter argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU

I was not advocating "guilty until proven innocent" just saying some people think that way

Very UnAmerican.


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cluv8484 wrote:
I will concede that my views are different than most on here and that is ok. Think we all want innocent people to never have a gun pointed at them, let alone lose a life when it can be avoided. How we get there and the reasons we are not there now are just different in our eyes. I'm gonna try and shut up now.


Don't let the SJW Snowflake Herd bully you, Cluv. This isn't some burrito college campus rules by Marxists. You can express a different point of view here.

Grow a backbone, don't let you now. When The Herd starts to attack that means they feel threatened.


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cluv8484 wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Shapiro's argument(s) was/were awful.

"If there is evidence of racism then its racism"
"if there's no evidence of racism then it can't be racism"
OK....no idea of the point he's trying to make there.

Then his whining about why wouldn't blacks riots when their mayor is black, police chief is black, etc was intentionally ignorant.


Because the guy he is arguing is providing no examples of racism, so the arguer says "I'm human, of course there must be racism". WHAT?! You agree with THIS? Are you kidding me?

How is that ignorant when they are rioting against the white oppression, yet the leaders he is pointing out are all black? So its black on black racism?

Yes. I believe humans are inherently racist. We are hard-wired to sort, group, pattern.


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chaspoppcap wrote:
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Peeps I agree, did you notice I said they where they are getting better/more training.
As to that blurb I can point to to a ton of stories where someone gets spooked and it sets off an entire units going full auto on noting but shadows. I am talking a Company(100+).

edit: another thing. The Military limits the amount of time a soldier spends in combat before he is rotated out for rest. There is also another point where the soldier is considered combat ineffective not to be returned to combat. We do not do this to police.


I saw it recently but forgot about it until I saw your post.

Just figured I'd share.


So you post and run again.


Yep.

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A dozen cops commit criminal acts over the past 5 years, all cops are bad.

A dozen African Americans commit criminal acts over the past 5 years, all African Americans are...

See how quickly the BLM movement against cops goes south...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:08 am 
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And unless there was some breaking news, wasn't the Charlotte dude reading a book? I view books as more nerdy than thuggish.


You not only missed breaking news, but all of the other news, too.

No book was found. A gun was beside the body. The only people who said he was reading a book were the family - the family was not present at the time of the shooting. Witnesses corroborated that he had a gun.

But of course, there is still a narrative about "two different stories."


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I hope you can understand that any improvements in policing techniques/transparency benefits all Americans.


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There are two solutions: have the police stop carrying guns and eliminate the police. (Credit to Jorr on the later.)


Cool story. Lawlesness. So then when an event like the NYC bombings goes down, your going to sign up to hunt that guy down? Don't you just take on role of the police then?


The question was how to eliminate police shootings. Not some argument about an inept terrorist in New Jersey.

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Yes. I believe humans are inherently racist. We are hard-wired to sort, group, pattern.


I disagree, I think it is learned behavior. So if you grew up around loving kind people of color you would be racist and view them negatively? or do you use racism as merely the identification of differences, weather good or bad

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There are two solutions: have the police stop carrying guns and eliminate the police. (Credit to Jorr on the later.)


Cool story. Lawlesness. So then when an event like the NYC bombings goes down, your going to sign up to hunt that guy down? Don't you just take on role of the police then?


The question was how to eliminate police shootings. Not some argument about an inept terrorist in New Jersey.


They go hand in hand, what are you talking about? Who is going to stop the bad dudes in society....whether they are selling dope out of their car on the corner, raping women jogging thru the park, or committing mass terrorist acts in the name of ISIS

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I hope you can understand that any improvements in policing techniques/transparency benefits all Americans.


correct but unless there is improvement from both sides we will never be able to push the number as close to zero as we can. That right now is the unspoken of issue.

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cluv8484 wrote:
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There are two solutions: have the police stop carrying guns and eliminate the police. (Credit to Jorr on the later.)


Cool story. Lawlesness. So then when an event like the NYC bombings goes down, your going to sign up to hunt that guy down? Don't you just take on role of the police then?


The question was how to eliminate police shootings. Not some argument about an inept terrorist in New Jersey.


They go hand in hand, what are you talking about? Who is going to stop the bad dudes in society....whether they are selling dope out of their car on the corner, raping women jogging thru the park, or committing mass terrorist acts in the name of ISIS




The guys own father turned him in a few years ago, I don't understand how the FBI passed this goof over ..they really dropped the ball.

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But Rick, the "Proven Wrong" items I am discussing is this media and rioter movement against unjustice and blatant "white shoot black for no reason" narrative. The media picks it up and runs a month long on it, firing up a hives nest in this country of hatred and turbulance. The claims that started both these big american events in terms of media coverage, rioting, protesting, discussion, etc. were lies. That's what I mean by my comments.


What you are doing is a common theme though with ALL of these things. The guy in NYC was selling illegal cigarettes. The kid in the park had a toy gun. The guy in Chicago in the video was walking threateningly. There is always an excuse.


We seem to consistently excuse bad behavior on both sides.


McDude,

Have you ever had to discharge your weapon while on duty?

I have a cousin who was an undercover guy who tells the story of a shoot out with a suspect from ten feet and they both emptied their weapons and never hit each other.


No. And check your PMs in a few minutes.


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BLM is calling for the elimination of the police. Check out item 8 on their demands:

http://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/demands.html

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They've adopted JORR as their leader.

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BLM is calling for the elimination of the police. Check out item 8 on their demands:

http://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/demands.html



their demands seem reasonable to me


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BLM is calling for the elimination of the police. Check out item 8 on their demands:

http://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/demands.html



their demands seem reasonable to me


All except 7,8 and 9.

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BLM is calling for the elimination of the police. Check out item 8 on their demands:

http://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/demands.html



their demands seem reasonable to me


1,4,5,6, and 10 are reasonable I think.

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