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Just so we're clear, my daughter was conceived via IVF. That's because my wife , whose life mission was to have children, had health problems that initially threatened her life. She overcame these issues but not to the point that she could conceive children naturally (at least not without severe health risks). So we paid tens of thousands of dollars to try... with no guarantee it would work... but with the peace of mind that we tried... for her.

The great news is that it worked, and we have a beautiful daughter for the wear. I love her to death.

Seacrest wouldn't disparage my daughter directly, I'm sure. But his arrogant religious beliefs do indirectly disparage my entire family. For him to whine about religious persecution is pathetic. He and his kind negatively impact our way of life through their archsic views. That is a fact.

It's easy to criticize concepts and then act like a good guy for specific examples. It's also fake. If there is a God, he's not looking down kindly on Seacrest's kind

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Well, this appears to be a good, old fashioned condescend-off!

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Well, this appears to be a good, old fashioned condescend-off!


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Well, this appears to be a good, old fashioned condescend-off!


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Advancements in these fields are going to happen...fast and furious I hope.

The great religions of the world will have to adjust or they will be left behind.
Yup. If God hates it that much he has options to stop it.

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Just so we're clear, my daughter was conceived via IVF. That's because my wife , whose life mission was to have children, had health problems that initially threatened her life. She overcame these issues but not to the point that she could conceive children naturally (at least not without severe health risks). So we paid tens of thousands of dollars to try... with no guarantee it would work... but with the peace of mind that we tried... for her.

The great news is that it worked, and we have a beautiful daughter for the wear. I love her to death.

Seacrest wouldn't disparage my daughter directly, I'm sure. But his arrogant religious beliefs do indirectly disparage my entire family. For him to whine about religious persecution is pathetic. He and his kind negatively impact our way of life through their archsic views. That is a fact.

It's easy to criticize concepts and then act like a good guy for specific examples. It's also fake. If there is a God, he's not looking down kindly on Seacrest's kind

WHY DIDNT YOU ADOPT, HERETIC!!

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IVF is an affront to God's will.


Of course that's what he thinks. Therefore, my daughter's existence is an affront to God's will.


All modern medicine is an affront to the will of the Lord.

God's will is that some people are destined to get sick and die. Who do we think we are to try and change that?

And if it makes it any better, I think your daughter is fine. You, however, are definitely an affront to God.

I agree Leash is an affront to God, but this country will be so far behind Europe and Asia in regards to specialized medicine if it doesn't begin to embrace the benefits of stem cells because a good chunk of the populace is scared of their sky daddy.


This country does plenty of stem cell research. The conflict comes to embryonic stem cell research for reasons that are being yelled about in this thread currently. And even then it's about federal funding.

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There is nothing in the Bible about this. It's just grandstanding by people who make up their morality as they go along.

Religion is about lying to yourself, so it's not surprising that religious people want to restrict scientific pursuits.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Just so we're clear, my daughter was conceived via IVF. That's because my wife , whose life mission was to have children, had health problems that initially threatened her life. She overcame these issues but not to the point that she could conceive children naturally (at least not without severe health risks). So we paid tens of thousands of dollars to try... with no guarantee it would work... but with the peace of mind that we tried... for her.

The great news is that it worked, and we have a beautiful daughter for the wear. I love her to death.

Seacrest wouldn't disparage my daughter directly, I'm sure. But his arrogant religious beliefs do indirectly disparage my entire family. For him to whine about religious persecution is pathetic. He and his kind negatively impact our way of life through their archsic views. That is a fact.

It's easy to criticize concepts and then act like a good guy for specific examples. It's also fake. If there is a God, he's not looking down kindly on Seacrest's kind

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Well, this appears to be a good, old fashioned condescend-off!


Expound.

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IVF is an affront to God's will.


Of course that's what he thinks. Therefore, my daughter's existence is an affront to God's will.


All modern medicine is an affront to the will of the Lord.

God's will is that some people are destined to get sick and die. Who do we think we are to try and change that?

And if it makes it any better, I think your daughter is fine. You, however, are definitely an affront to God.

I agree Leash is an affront to God, but this country will be so far behind Europe and Asia in regards to specialized medicine if it doesn't begin to embrace the benefits of stem cells because a good chunk of the populace is scared of their sky daddy.


This country does plenty of stem cell research. The conflict comes to embryonic stem cell research for reasons that are being yelled about in this thread currently. And even then it's about federal funding.

RESEARCHES JUST FINE.

Not research. Application.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Just so we're clear, my daughter was conceived via IVF. That's because my wife , whose life mission was to have children, had health problems that initially threatened her life. She overcame these issues but not to the point that she could conceive children naturally (at least not without severe health risks). So we paid tens of thousands of dollars to try... with no guarantee it would work... but with the peace of mind that we tried... for her.

The great news is that it worked, and we have a beautiful daughter for the wear. I love her to death.

Seacrest wouldn't disparage my daughter directly, I'm sure. But his arrogant religious beliefs do indirectly disparage my entire family. For him to whine about religious persecution is pathetic. He and his kind negatively impact our way of life through their archsic views. That is a fact.

It's easy to criticize concepts and then act like a good guy for specific examples. It's also fake. If there is a God, he's not looking down kindly on Seacrest's kind


Just so we are clear.

I'm against stem cell research.

My religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

You then called me names, which is usually the case when I dare to have different thoughts then you. You then bring up religion too.

You then claimed to have been spoken to condescendingly which is quite rich when someone reads your posts about religion in even the most open minded of ways.

You brought up your daughter in some odd attempt at victimization.

You then spoke definitively for God at least twice, one time claiming I believed something I do not, while still being unsure of His existence.

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GoldenJet wrote:
Advancements in these fields are going to happen...fast and furious I hope.

The great religions of the world will have to adjust or they will be left behind.



It would be just fine if the great religions of the world were left behind, but they won't be.

Because like this thread, people will not be OK with their disagreement. And will do their best to force them to agree.

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There is nothing in the Bible about this. It's just grandstanding by people who make up their morality as they go along.

Religion is about lying to yourself, so it's not surprising that religious people want to restrict scientific pursuits.


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Jbi11s wrote:
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Jbi11s wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
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IVF is an affront to God's will.


Of course that's what he thinks. Therefore, my daughter's existence is an affront to God's will.


All modern medicine is an affront to the will of the Lord.

God's will is that some people are destined to get sick and die. Who do we think we are to try and change that?

And if it makes it any better, I think your daughter is fine. You, however, are definitely an affront to God.

I agree Leash is an affront to God, but this country will be so far behind Europe and Asia in regards to specialized medicine if it doesn't begin to embrace the benefits of stem cells because a good chunk of the populace is scared of their sky daddy.


This country does plenty of stem cell research. The conflict comes to embryonic stem cell research for reasons that are being yelled about in this thread currently. And even then it's about federal funding.

RESEARCHES JUST FINE.

Not research. Application.


They go hand in hand. Embryonic has only begin to BEAR(down) fruit recently. Up until now it's been adult stem cells with practical APPLICATIONS.

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So you think we should outlaw IVF?


Yes.
Wow. This is stupid.

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There is nothing in the Bible about this. It's just grandstanding by people who make up their morality as they go along.

Religion is about lying to yourself, so it's not surprising that religious people want to restrict scientific pursuits.


Another hypocritical atheist


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Just so we're clear, my daughter was conceived via IVF. That's because my wife , whose life mission was to have children, had health problems that initially threatened her life. She overcame these issues but not to the point that she could conceive children naturally (at least not without severe health risks). So we paid tens of thousands of dollars to try... with no guarantee it would work... but with the peace of mind that we tried... for her.

The great news is that it worked, and we have a beautiful daughter for the wear. I love her to death.

Seacrest wouldn't disparage my daughter directly, I'm sure. But his arrogant religious beliefs do indirectly disparage my entire family. For him to whine about religious persecution is pathetic. He and his kind negatively impact our way of life through their archsic views. That is a fact.

It's easy to criticize concepts and then act like a good guy for specific examples. It's also fake. If there is a God, he's not looking down kindly on Seacrest's kind
leash is right on the money here.

You can't say the things that Seacrest says and then somehow say "Well, I didn't mean you personally". It is clear that Seacrest has strong moral objections to it and would therefore have strong moral objections about the actions of anyone who has done it.

It's a medical procedure. It would be like saying we should ban cancer treatment or heart surgery. All they are doing is correcting a medical issue that so happens to involve reproduction.

That is a cool story to a tough situation by leash. How anyone can look at that and not say it is overwhelmingly good is quite sad.

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Well, I'm not gonna speak for Seacrest, but I will say that there are ethical issues when it comes to medical research that shouldn't simply be blown off by saying, "that's progress." I don't believe in God and I have no problem with in vitro fertilization. But it sounds like some people in this thread would have no problem keeping a clone around for spare parts for themselves. Just because man is capable of things doesn't necessarily mean he should do them.

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There is nothing in the Bible about this. It's just grandstanding by people who make up their morality as they go along.

Religion is about lying to yourself, so it's not surprising that religious people want to restrict scientific pursuits.


Another hypocritical atheist


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Well, I'm not gonna speak for Seacrest, but I will say that there are ethical issues when it comes to medical research that shouldn't simply be blown off by saying, "that's progress." I don't believe in God and I have no problem with in vitro fertilization. But it sounds like some people in this thread would have no problem keeping a clone around for spare parts for themselves. Just because man is capable of things doesn't necessarily mean he should do them.
Of course I agree that some things are immoral and I would be with Seacrest against them. He just needs to own the fact that by being against IVF and judging it as morally reprehensible to the point that it should be banned he is casting judgement on those who have gotten it. With your clone example, he would be judging those who got it also but I think he would be far more willing to accept it.

Though, I will say a major difference with your situation and IVF is that IVF has no victim and in fact actually helps create life that would not otherwise exist. I won't speak for Seacrest either but it would be interesting to here him actually state why he thinks leash should have been banned from attempting to have a child in this manner.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Well, I'm not gonna speak for Seacrest, but I will say that there are ethical issues when it comes to medical research that shouldn't simply be blown off by saying, "that's progress." I don't believe in God and I have no problem with in vitro fertilization. But it sounds like some people in this thread would have no problem keeping a clone around for spare parts for themselves. Just because man is capable of things doesn't necessarily mean he should do them.


I wouldn't say people here want to clone for spare parts, but there are ethical issues that many here are unaware of. The amount of unused embryos that are known of is staggering. The federal government, which claims an unborn child has no right to life, is funding programs to adopt embryos. Think about that for a minute.

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But it sounds like some people in this thread would have no problem keeping a clone around for spare parts for themselves.


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