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Sex isn't dirty, sex isn't a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults.

-Hank Kingsley

Open season, as usual. Mike was definitely onto something.

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Well since you mention that (others can quit reading probably) ...

So o'er by dere on reddit, some guy posted the following, and I wonder what a more informed fella like yourself thinks of it:

The conclusions drawn in this article are quite wrong, and in fact based on a willful misrepresentation of the research. The linguist cited, David Durian, is a friend of mine, and has been trying to get the author to correct this story and not blatantly misrepresent his research since he saw the pre-print. Here's his response:

"I don't know why this is back up.

The article is wrong. As the researcher quoted in it, I can comment on this pretty firmly. First, yes, some aspects of the accent are declining in middle class speech, but not in working class speech. The Chicago accent is alive and well in working class speech even among speakers under 50.

Second there are still clear features even in middle class speech that are still present, even if stereotypes like d and t for Th in words like "these" and "both" are declining (the "Daley" speech feature I think he's trying to actually focus on here). For instance, the way Chicagoans pronounce "bag" or "bagel" or "cast" versus how people pronounce them other places.
Third--I'm the linguist quoted as expert in the article. I was misquoted by the author in it. All I said is that one feature (the "Daley" feature) is declining somewhat-- d and t use for th in words like "these" and "both" due to stereotyping (even in working class speech, although only among speakers under 40). But that's not the entire accent like it looks like I'm saying here because of how accent is being used throughout the article without qualification--just one type of pronunciation.

Thus, the entire accent is not disappearing like the article suggests, and research (such as mine) does not support that. There's decline in one class group (white, middle class speakers), but only in some features of the accent, and NOT the entire accent. Meanwhile, in working class speech, the accent is still definitely alive and well, even among speakers under 50. Yes, d and t for th use is declining among speakers under 40, but its use is certainly not "rare," even among folks in the under 40 blue collar crowd.

Since writing the article, even the author has admitted to hearing the accent among under 50 Chicagoans (in particular d and t for Th) on his personal Facebook page."

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- Henry George

You speak as if you have an engorged penis in your mouth.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

He types that way too.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

if?

That's just you day dreaming after a succulent round of foie gras.

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Kill dat fuckin' mooha!

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Soccer 1,2,3
Spanish Honor Society 1,2,3,4
Forensics 1,2,3,4

"Smiles with Nostrils"

"...no Hmong, go find some blacks"

I was down to visit my parents over Memorial Day and I met one of the people that live in their neighborhood ( South Carolina ) before my mom and I went out golfing.
She told me the next week that the guy was taken aback by my thick mid-western accent. I thought that was kind of funny. I know I have one having lived in Illinois or
Wisconsin between Green Bay and Champaign a majority of my life but I guess I never thought much about it before she mentioned it.

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Flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami

Mine is pretty bad, and downright textbook when I'm with my father in law and his friends.

"Inland North American English" (or nort', if you like) apparently covers that area and more, so it kind makes sense.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

You're like the Baby McCown of accents.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I have hints of a Chicago accent that I've managed to drill out of use, for the most part. I didn't stop saying "thAAAnks" really nasally until my best friend, fresh from her first semester at NYU, told me to fix it because I sounded like a rube. I fixed "garage" as a one-word syllable rhyming with "lodge" on my own, thanks.

Is substituting a glottal stop for not only a 't' at the end of a word but also an 'ng' considered part of the Chicago accent? My mom only lived on da nortwess side till she was like five years old, but she still says "going" more like "go-een." Same with clee-neen, dry-veen, etc.

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If only they did during Bears trainig camp...

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Now I understand why they let Rutgers into the Big 10.

The stereotypical accent is going, yes. But the actual Chicago dialect? That's here to stay, though it is changing a bit. It's why linguists laughed when Dennis Franz played a New York detective. "No New York detective ever said, 'What hyaaapened,'" said William Labov, the influential sociolinguist.

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I have a thick Chicago accent half the time, but the other half the time, if my kids are right, I sound like a stoner.

Speaking of my kids, them barbarians say "firefly." It's "lightning bug," you idiots.

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Dats right.

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Elections have consequences.

You miss my attention don't you?

it is kind of rare nowadays

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

He was on two things ... that was the problem.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Pittmike North

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

YES!!!

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What kind of moron says "firefly"?

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The Chicago accent will be alive as long as I can draw breath.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Understanding that we have a posting of a copy of a reddit post, where a friend of the original researcher from the article, quotes a posted reply to the article by said researcher. Wow, that's a mouthful.

That said, David Durian, claiming to be a linguist, certainly proves he has absolutely no idea on how to convey a thought via the English language.

Clearly, the research is flawed: there is no reference to "da Jewels"...

My fors are fers
My double tts are dds

I never got frunchroom.

My grandparents grew up in Avondale and I never heard it from them or my mom. I think you have to be from south of 95th Street and white to get frunchroom.

But what do you call the road that runs along an expressway? Frunnidge, right?

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I sound like a canadian with shit in his mouf

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Yes, I do.