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My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.

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My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.


Catholic Schools have a different set of rules.

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My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.


Catholic Schools have a different set of rules.


I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.

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Phones are the single biggest issue in schools today. Every student has one and just about every student believes that they are entitled to use it whenever they deem it necessary. The problem with confiscating them is that you own it if you lose it. I worked with a teacher that lost a kids phone and paid $250 after losing it.

It is distracting in the classroom if you allow it. You can walk into a classroom and literally see upwards of 20 students all using their phones. Some are texting while others are listening to music. Some even hold conversations on it while teachers are attempting to provide instruction. In these situations I don't necessarily blame the kids all the time either. MANY teachers are prone to use Marquis of Queensbury tactics whenever it comes to engaging kids. They are simply reluctant to do it. They believe that it is the job of others whenever it comes to classroom management. Others pretend that they don't see it while some attempt to make the case that it really doesn't impact instruction. Newsflash it does. A student that is more engaged in the phone than they are in the lesson will rarely be successful. If you are allowing them to use the phone then you don't know if they are cheating either. Kids will look up information on their phone or send text messaged photos of assignments or tests. It is a real hindrance in the classroom if you allow it. I attempt to counsel teachers against the practice of allowing phones but unfortunately few actually heed it in my opinion.

They turn smart kids with good habits into formerly smart kids with poor habits within a few weeks. I'm surprised this isn't a larger issue.

I don't think that the do-gooder teachers who say, "I don't want to be a cop! I let them use the technology they are familiar with to learn!" are making it better. Yes, phones have some uses....but you have to know how to read, how to math, and how to write. Phone gets in the way of all of that. Pick up a pen, open the book, and get busy.

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I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.

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My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.


Catholic Schools have a different set of rules.


I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


"Little Suzie needs to have her phone on her at all times as I am a single mom and must be able to have access to her. It is a safety concern."

"Since little Suzie has a phone, I think little John Boy needs his phone on him as well."

And so on.

Parents are terrible.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Killer V wrote:
My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.


Catholic Schools have a different set of rules.


I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


"Little Suzie needs to have her phone on her at all times as I am a single mom and must be able to have access to her. It is a safety concern."

"Since little Suzie has a phone, I think little John Boy needs his phone on him as well."

And so on.

Parents are terrible.


If there is an emergency, call the school and we will have Little Susie leave class immediately to contact you.

Simple.

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"Little Suzie needs to have her phone on her at all times as I am a single mom and must be able to have access to her. It is a safety concern."

"Since little Suzie has a phone, I think little John Boy needs his phone on him as well."

And so on.

Parents are terrible.

Am I allowed to comment on this? I'm not a parent but I have parents. Just want to check before getting unloaded upon as I do not have children.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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"Little Suzie needs to have her phone on her at all times as I am a single mom and must be able to have access to her. It is a safety concern."

"Since little Suzie has a phone, I think little John Boy needs his phone on him as well."

And so on.

Parents are terrible.

Am I allowed to comment on this? I'm not a parent but I have parents. Just want to check before getting unloaded upon as I do not have children.


No.

Procreate before commenting.

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I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue. I remember BBB using this exact term as a way of describing it. I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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My kids' school has a "phone-in-locker" policy. If it is out during the day, it's confiscated. There is a section in the parent handbook releasing the school from the liability of lost or damaged phones. I realize it probably wouldn't hold up under scrutiny, but it's a catholic school so they'd have to answer to someone else.

The point being, the kids and parents know the expectations up front and the parents are involved enough to back up the enforcement. MANY kids have phones but the school rarely has a need to confiscate them.


Catholic Schools have a different set of rules.


I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


"Little Suzie needs to have her phone on her at all times as I am a single mom and must be able to have access to her. It is a safety concern."

"Since little Suzie has a phone, I think little John Boy needs his phone on him as well."

And so on.

Parents are terrible.


If there is an emergency, call the school and we will have Little Susie leave class immediately to contact you.

Simple.


You know how parents are Hank.

"I'm sorry but I can't trust someone at the school to properly relay the message"

Then the threat of a lawsuit.

Then the school caving in because it isn't worth fighing with crazy people.

Rinse.

Repeat.

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I'd put a clear container on every kids desk and tell them their phone has to go into it at the start of class and you cant open it until the bell rings. If I see you take out your phone during a test, I pull the paper and grade what you have at that point. I wouldn't mess around at all.

I'd probably be fired post haste as well.

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You know how parents are Hank.

"I'm sorry but I can't trust someone at the school to properly relay the message"

Then the threat of a lawsuit.

Then the school caving in because it isn't worth fighing with crazy people.

Rinse.

Repeat.


That's lazy though. Emergencies haven't gotten more emergencier since we were in school. They don't even need to relay the message. A simple call from the office to the classroom. Please send Susie to the office to call her mom.

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I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

When you catch a kid using his phone, do you start talking NBA until he relents and puts the phone away?

That would probably work.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue.


Seriously? That's stupid. Phone use in the classroom directly affects the ability for teachers to, you know, do their jobs. Fucking ridiculous.

Is the B of E populated with the mouthbreathing, self-entitled douchebags that would also blame the teacher because little Tryyyyssteen-Mychaeal can't tell us who the 1st president is, but knows how to beat every level of Minecraft?

And Hank, if I saw a kid on a phone during a test, I'd automatically fail the kid under the pretense that he is using his phone to cheat.

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Parents are terrible.

That covers most of society's ills right there.
#NoMoreChildren

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I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

When you catch a kid using his phone, do you start talking NBA until he relents and puts the phone away?

That would probably work.

:lol:

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This cult of personality we give to our children is insane. Parents need to step up, my own house included. There has to be a happy medium from slapping your kid for not being asked to be excused from the table and where we are now where my wife makes three separate things for our kids to eat because they all asked for something different.

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This cult of personality we give to our children is insane. Parents need to step up, my own house included. There has to be a happy medium from slapping your kid for not being asked to be excused from the table and where we are now where my wife makes three separate things for our kids to eat because they all asked for something different.

Insanity.

Kids eat what is made. Or they can choose leftovers from yesterday if they want.

Otherwise you aren't eating and going to bed hungry.

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This cult of personality we give to our children is insane. Parents need to step up, my own house included. There has to be a happy medium from slapping your kid for not being asked to be excused from the table and where we are now where my wife makes three separate things for our kids to eat because they all asked for something different.


See, we are trying to combat that...my 18 month old basically eats whatever we make for dinner. Got her to try sushi a couple of weeks ago. As the primary cook in the house, I'm not going to make a bunch of different shit because the kids don't feel like pasta tonight.

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my 18 month old basically eats whatever we make for dinner.

Lovely.

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Got her to try sushi a couple of weeks ago.

Dreadful.

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This cult of personality we give to our children is insane. Parents need to step up, my own house included. There has to be a happy medium from slapping your kid for not being asked to be excused from the table and where we are now where my wife makes three separate things for our kids to eat because they all asked for something different.

Insanity.

Kids eat what is made. Or they can choose leftovers from yesterday if they want.

Otherwise you aren't eating and going to bed hungry.

Simple.


I agree. I don't do it at all but my wife occasionally will because she says its easier than listening to the whining. She's not making 3 different 4 course meals or anything but its a pain to make spaghetti and then have to make a grilled cheese too ya know.

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I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

When you catch a kid using his phone, do you start talking NBA until he relents and puts the phone away?

That would probably work.



I simply tell them how great of a player that Lance Stephenson happens to be and they look at me like I am crazy.

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I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue.


Seriously? That's stupid. Phone use in the classroom directly affects the ability for teachers to, you know, do their jobs. Fucking ridiculous.

Is the B of E populated with the mouthbreathing, self-entitled douchebags that would also blame the teacher because little Tryyyyssteen-Mychaeal can't tell us who the 1st president is, but knows how to beat every level of Minecraft?

And Hank, if I saw a kid on a phone during a test, I'd automatically fail the kid under the pretense that he is using his phone to cheat.



Public Education is going all in on social justice these days. Any action perpetrated by a student shall henceforth be excused by something that allegedly triggered it. Perpetrators are viewed as victims and victims as perpetrators. It is all part of the restorative justice philosophy. It ignores accountability for behavior and presupposes that a child's behavior will change merely because the world shows him a greater degree of understanding.

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I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

When you catch a kid using his phone, do you start talking NBA until he relents and puts the phone away?

That would probably work.



I simply tell them how great of a player that Lance Stephenson happens to be and they look at me like I am crazy.

:lol: :lol:

He's going to take the Pelicans to the next level.

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long time guy wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:

I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue.


Seriously? That's stupid. Phone use in the classroom directly affects the ability for teachers to, you know, do their jobs. Fucking ridiculous.

Is the B of E populated with the mouthbreathing, self-entitled douchebags that would also blame the teacher because little Tryyyyssteen-Mychaeal can't tell us who the 1st president is, but knows how to beat every level of Minecraft?

And Hank, if I saw a kid on a phone during a test, I'd automatically fail the kid under the pretense that he is using his phone to cheat.



Public Education is going all in on social justice these days. Any action perpetrated by a student shall henceforth be excused by something that allegedly triggered it. Perpetrators are viewed as victims and victims as perpetrators. It is all part of the restorative justice philosophy. It ignores accountability for behavior and presupposes that a child's behavior will change merely because the world shows him a greater degree of understanding.


Shit

Maybe I should start saving for private school.

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I have found a way to enforce it but i really don't know if it would stand up to the scrutiny.

When you catch a kid using his phone, do you start talking NBA until he relents and puts the phone away?

That would probably work.



I simply tell them how great of a player that Lance Stephenson happens to be and they look at me like I am crazy.

:lol: :lol:

He's going to take the Pelicans to the next level.



The battle for the backup 2 guard spot on the Pelicans between he and Etwaun Moore should be epic. I am now an interested observer of the passing Pelican basketball scene. Hell someone has to be.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:

I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue.


Seriously? That's stupid. Phone use in the classroom directly affects the ability for teachers to, you know, do their jobs. Fucking ridiculous.

Is the B of E populated with the mouthbreathing, self-entitled douchebags that would also blame the teacher because little Tryyyyssteen-Mychaeal can't tell us who the 1st president is, but knows how to beat every level of Minecraft?

And Hank, if I saw a kid on a phone during a test, I'd automatically fail the kid under the pretense that he is using his phone to cheat.



Public Education is going all in on social justice these days. Any action perpetrated by a student shall henceforth be excused by something that allegedly triggered it. Perpetrators are viewed as victims and victims as perpetrators. It is all part of the restorative justice philosophy. It ignores accountability for behavior and presupposes that a child's behavior will change merely because the world shows him a greater degree of understanding.


Speeps Jr. is in CPS and none of that is true. At least not in elementary school.

Maybe they wait til high school for that.

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Public Education is going all in on social justice these days. Any action perpetrated by a student shall henceforth be excused by something that allegedly triggered it. Perpetrators are viewed as victims and victims as perpetrators. It is all part of the restorative justice philosophy. It ignores accountability for behavior and presupposes that a child's behavior will change merely because the world shows him a greater degree of understanding.


This. At college it's insane. Been told all the white men need to die so that women and minorities can finally get a chance. Anything less than an A is racist or sexist. And the administration is in total fear of any type of protest breaking out.

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:

I get that but I don't see why a public school couldn't have the same rule and enforce it. Having a cell phone isn't a right or a necessity in school.


Because public school administrators have been neutered by the chickenshit school board and have no real power.


The B of E also thinks it is "petty" to make phone use in the classroom an issue.


Seriously? That's stupid. Phone use in the classroom directly affects the ability for teachers to, you know, do their jobs. Fucking ridiculous.

Is the B of E populated with the mouthbreathing, self-entitled douchebags that would also blame the teacher because little Tryyyyssteen-Mychaeal can't tell us who the 1st president is, but knows how to beat every level of Minecraft?

And Hank, if I saw a kid on a phone during a test, I'd automatically fail the kid under the pretense that he is using his phone to cheat.



Public Education is going all in on social justice these days. Any action perpetrated by a student shall henceforth be excused by something that allegedly triggered it. Perpetrators are viewed as victims and victims as perpetrators. It is all part of the restorative justice philosophy. It ignores accountability for behavior and presupposes that a child's behavior will change merely because the world shows him a greater degree of understanding.


Speeps Jr. is in CPS and none of that is true. At least not in elementary school.

Maybe they wait til high school for that.



I deal with this sort of thing every day and I'm telling you that it is. It is even worse at the elementary level. CPS outlawed zero tolerance as a way of easing the transition towards social justice reforms.

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