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Ha, Bill Weld looks like he wants to slap Johnson here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8m1LGp1AxA


Weld should be at the top of the ticket.


Yes, he's much more presidential.

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Well, at least the Tribune's asinine paywall will prevent most people from reading that garbage.

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Well, at least the Tribune's asinine paywall will prevent most people from reading that garbage.


Paywall are easily worked around by highlighting the headline, right click, and search using google. It's free if you enter through the google search. Same for all papers.


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Assange likely has nothing of true substance....

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Assange likely has nothing of true substance....


Agreed. He just wants attention

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^ His suggestions are enough to keep the narrative rolling.


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Assange must REALLY hate the Clintons to choose Tuesday as the next data dump.


Scary times when an Australian can become a folk hero for trying to sway an election against a diplomat, who fought to have him extradited for facilitating the leak of state secrets. This general period of scary levels of idiocy is exactly why Trump could win, and Putin is on the march.

Hell, people still don't really know the Snowden story but cannot wait for Oliver Fucking Stone to tell it to them. Here's the story minus the fluffy bullshit: The Leaky Myths of Snowden
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _hero.html


We have become absolutist, conspiracy laden morons that make a great argument for the Chinese system of embracing of capitalism while suppressing human thought and movement. Churchill was right about Democracy. The Chinese might have figured out the perfect system by simply embracing the global system and treating humans for the dangerous morons we are.

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I agree, scary times and all that, but wishing for a more Chinese type human rights policy is even scarier.

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^ His suggestions are enough to keep the narrative rolling.


Jbi11s wrote:
Assange must REALLY hate the Clintons to choose Tuesday as the next data dump.


Scary times when an Australian can become a folk hero for trying to sway an election against a diplomat, who fought to have him extradited for facilitating the leak of state secrets. This general period of scary levels of idiocy is exactly why Trump could win, and Putin is on the march.

Hell, people still don't really know the Snowden story but cannot wait for Oliver Fucking Stone to tell it to them. Here's the story minus the fluffy bullshit: The Leaky Myths of Snowden
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _hero.html


We have become absolutist, conspiracy laden morons that make a great argument for the Chinese system of embracing of capitalism while suppressing human thought and movement. Churchill was right about Democracy. The Chinese might have figured out the perfect system by simply embracing the global system and treating humans for the dangerous morons we are.


Great article. It needs it's own thread.

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Assange setup an announcement for Oct 4th.....


Obnoxious, tin foil wearing website forum grade meme aside, Assange must REALLY hate the Clintons to choose Tuesday as the next data dump. A possible damaging point in Trump's campaign with the all out "he's a mysoginist" assault the media is doing to The Donald will be washed away and put into the ether of the news media cycle if Assange can release a substantial find against the Clintons.

Edit: too wordy, sorry.


Assange Unwittingly Admits He Has Nothing

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/25 ... as-Nothing

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Megyn Kelly: Do you think the information in your possession could be a game changer in the U.S. election?

Julian Assange: I think it's significant. uh... you know... it depends on how it catches fire in the public and in the media.

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DailyKos is a SBNation blog for Democratic politics except SBNation blogs occasionally get mad at their teams.

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DailyKos is a SBNation blog for Democratic politics except SBNation blogs occasionally get mad at their teams.


It was a direct quote from Assange, from an appearance on Fox News.

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Assange better overnight some cases of diet mtn dew and hot pockets and kratom to his 400lb russian hacker, giddyup, er, poydem!


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CBS News hiring The Onion writers:

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good advice for Trump from the lady in the focus group at the end of the video accompanying NAS's link:

I'd advise Trump to answer the question that's asked of him...and then stop talking.

I'd go one further and answer whatever question he'd like to answer, and then stop talking.


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Usa today drops bomshell today

Trump being completely shit on by almost all media outlets... Even fox news

This is trainwrecking quick now. Trump very well might drop out before election day. He would see quitting as better than losing.

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USA Today didn't give Hillary a real endorsement because USA Today isn't a real paper

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And donald trump isnt a real candidate.

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Usa today drops bomshell today

Trump being completely shit on by almost all media outlets... Even fox news

This is trainwrecking quick now. Trump very well might drop out before election day. He would see quitting as better than losing.



nah, Trump's fine with losing. He and Roger Ailes will start the Trump News Network to bash President Clinton 24/7. As well as give Trump another outlet to strike back at the NYTimes, Wash Post, twitter trolls...and Trump and Ailes would get to interview and hire a bunch of 20-something fresh out of law school hotties to wear short skirts and sit on the end during Red Eye/The Five (or their take on those)


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Hussra wrote:
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Usa today drops bomshell today

Trump being completely shit on by almost all media outlets... Even fox news

This is trainwrecking quick now. Trump very well might drop out before election day. He would see quitting as better than losing.



nah, Trump's fine with losing. He and Roger Ailes will start the Trump News Network to bash President Clinton 24/7. As well as give Trump another outlet to strike back at the NYTimes, Wash Post, twitter trolls...and Trump and Ailes would get to interview and hire a bunch of 20-something fresh out of law school hotties to wear short skirts and sit on the end during Red Eye/The Five (or their take on those)


He might do all that.. but not if he loses because losing would devestate him. He will quit... Just watch...

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Editorial: A principled option for U.S. president: Endorsing Gary Johnson, Libertarian
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As Nov. 8 looms, a dismayed, disconsolate America waits and wonders: What is it about 2016?

How has our country fallen so inescapably into political and policy gridlock? How did pandering to aggrieved niche groups and seducing blocs of angry voters replace working toward solutions as the coin of our governing class? How could the Democratic and Republican parties stagger so far from this nation's political mainstream?

And the most pressing question: What should tens of millions of voters who yearn for answers do with two major-party candidates they disdain? Polls show an unprecedented number of people saying they wish they had another choice.

This is the moment to look at the candidates on this year's ballot. This is the moment to see this election as not so much about them as about the American people and where their country is heading. And this is the moment to rebuke the Republican and Democratic parties.

The Republicans have nominated Donald Trump, a man not fit to be president of the United States. We first wrote on March 10 that we would not, could not, endorse him. And in the intervening six-plus months he has splendidly reinforced our verdict: Trump has gone out of his way to anger world leaders, giant swaths of the American public, and people of other lands who aspire to immigrate here legally. He has neither the character nor the prudent disposition for the job.

The real threat to the Constitution is Donald Trump
The mystery and shame of Trump's rise — we have red, white and blue coffee mugs that are more genuinely Republican — is the party's inability or unwillingness to repulse his hostile takeover. We appreciate the disgust for failed career politicians that Trump's supporters invoke; many of those voters are doubly victimized — by economic forces beyond their control, and by the scorn of mocking elitists who look down their noses to see them. He has ridden to the White House gate on the backs of Americans who believe they've been robbed of opportunity and respect. But inaugurating a bombastic and self-aggrandizing President Donald Trump isn't the cure.

The Democrats have nominated Hillary Clinton, who, by contrast, is undeniably capable of leading the United States. Electing her the first woman president would break a barrier that has no reason to be. We see no rough equivalence between Trump and Clinton. Any American who lists their respective shortcomings should be more apoplectic about the litany under his name than the one under hers. He couldn't do this job. She could.

But for reasons we'll explain — her intent to greatly increase federal spending and taxation, and serious questions about honesty and trust — we cannot endorse her.

Clinton's vision of ever-expanding government is in such denial of our national debt crisis as to be fanciful. Rather than run as a practical-minded Democrat as in 2008, this year she lurched left, pandering to match the Free Stuff agenda of then-rival Bernie Sanders. She has positioned herself so far to the left on spending that her presidency would extend the political schism that has divided America for some 24 years. That is, since the middle of a relatively moderate Clinton presidency. Today's Hillary Clinton, unlike yesteryear's, renounces many of Bill Clinton's priorities — freer trade, spending discipline, light regulation and private sector growth to generate jobs and tax revenues.

Hillary Clinton calls for a vast expansion of federal spending, supported by the kinds of tax hikes that were comically impossible even in the years when President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats dominated both houses of Congress. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that Clinton's plan would increase spending by $1.65 trillion over a decade, mostly for college education, paid family leave, infrastructure and health-related expenditures. Spending just on debt interest would rise by $50 billion. Personal and business taxation would rise by $1.5 trillion. Sort through all the details and her plan would raise the national debt by $200 billion.

Now as in the primary season, Clinton knows she is proposing orgies of spending, and taxing, that simply will ... not ... happen. She is promising Americans all manner of things she cannot deliver.

That is but one of the reasons why so many Americans reject Clinton: They don't trust what she says, how she makes decisions, and her up-to-the-present history of egregiously erasing the truth:

In the wake of a deadly attack on American personnel in Libya, she steered the American public away from the real cause — an inconvenient terror attack right before the 2012 election — after privately emailing the truth to her daughter. The head of the FBI, while delivering an indictment minus the grand jury paperwork, labeled her "extremely careless" for mishandling emails sensitive to national security. In public she stonewalled, dissembled and repeatedly lied — several were astonishing whoppers — about her private communications system ("There is no classified material," "Everything I did was permitted," and on and on). Her negligence in enforcing conflict-of-interest boundaries allowed her family's foundation to exploit the U.S. Department of State as a favor factory. Even her command and control of a routine medical issue devolved into a secretive, misleading mission to hide information from Americans.

Time upon time, Clinton's behavior affirms the perception that she's a corner-cutter whose ambitions drive her decisions. One telling episode among the countless: Asked by a voter if she was for or against the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada, she replied, "If it's undecided when I become president, I will answer your question." As we've asked here before, will Hillary Clinton ever get over her consuming fear of straight talk?

Taken together, Trump and Clinton have serious flaws that prevent us from offering our support to either of them. Still, come Nov. 8, tens of millions of Americans will make a draw that they consider beyond distasteful.

We choose not to do that. We would rather recommend a principled candidate for president — regardless of his or her prospects for victory — than suggest that voters cast ballots for such disappointing major-party candidates.

With that demand for a principled president paramount, we turn to the candidate we can recommend. One party has two moderate Republicans — veteran governors who successfully led Democratic states — atop its ticket. Libertarians Gary Johnson of New Mexico and running mate William Weld of Massachusetts are agile, practical and, unlike the major-party candidates, experienced at managing governments. They offer an agenda that appeals not only to the Tribune's principles but to those of the many Americans who say they are socially tolerant but fiscally responsible. "Most people are Libertarian," Johnson told the Tribune Editorial Board when he and Weld met with us in July. "It's just that they don't know it."

Theirs is small-L libertarianism, built on individual freedom and convinced that, at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, official Washington is clumsy, expensive and demonstrably unable to solve this nation's problems. They speak of reunifying an America now balkanized into identity and economic groups — and of avoiding their opponents' bullying behavior and sanctimonious lectures. Johnson and Weld are even-keeled — provided they aren't discussing the injustice of trapping young black children in this nation's worst-performing schools. On that and other galling injustices, they're animated.

We reject the cliche that a citizen who chooses a principled third-party candidate is squandering his or her vote. Look at the number of fed-up Americans telling pollsters they clamor for alternatives to Trump and Clinton. What we're recommending will appeal less to people who think tactically than to conscientious Americans so infuriated that they want to send a message about the failings of the major parties and their candidates. Put short:

We offer this endorsement to encourage voters who want to feel comfortable with their choice. Who want to vote for someone they can admire.

Johnson, who built a construction business before entering politics, speaks in terms that appeal to many among us: Expanded global trade and resulting job expansion. Robust economic growth, rather than ever-higher taxation, to raise government revenue. A smaller, and less costly, federal government. Faith in Americans' ability to parlay economic opportunity into success. While many Democrats and Republicans outdo one another in opposing the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, or TPP, we're amused by this oddity: Today the nation's two most ardent free-traders arguably are Barack Obama and Gary Johnson.

That said, Obama and Johnson are but two of the many candidates we've endorsed yet with whom we also can disagree. Johnson's foreign policy stance approaches isolationism. He is too reluctant to support what we view as necessary interventions overseas. He likely wouldn't dispatch U.S. forces in situations where Clinton would do so and where Trump ... who can reliably predict?

But unless the United States tames a national debt that's rapidly approaching $20 trillion-with-a-T, Americans face ever tighter constrictions on what this country can afford, at home or overseas. Clinton and Trump are too cowardly even to whisper about entitlement reforms that each of them knows are imperative. Johnson? He wants to raise the retirement age and apply a means test on benefits to the wealthiest.

What's more, principled third-party candidates can make big contributions even when they lose. In 1992 businessman H. Ross Perot won 19 percent of the popular vote on a thin but sensible platform, much of it constructed around reducing federal deficits. That strong showing by Perot the relative centrist influenced how President Bill Clinton would govern.

We wish the two major parties had not run away from today's centrist Americans. Just as we wish either of their candidates evoked the principles that a Chicago Tribune now in its 170th year espouses, among them high integrity, free markets, personal responsibility and a limited role for government in the lives of the governed. We hope Johnson does well enough that Republicans and Democrats get the message — and that his ideas make progress over time.

This year neither major party presents a good option. So the Chicago Tribune today endorses Libertarian Gary Johnson for president of the United States. Every American who casts a vote for him is standing for principles — and can be proud of that vote. Yes, proud of a candidate in 2016.

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Gary johnson might hold the best morals but he is dumber than most peoples brother.

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Gary johnson might hold the best morals but he is dumber than most peoples brother.

Oh come on. This video shows he's pretty bright...well maybe not.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJY

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bill maher made an extremely good point last night too about this guy

gary johnson holds nearly every stance on the conservative side of things, far far more right than hilary.. yet all the bernie supporters still refuse to vote hilary and would rather have johnson.

people in this country are so fucking stupid... THANK YOU FOREFATHERS for the electoral college.

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bill maher made an extremely good point last night too about this guy

gary johnson holds nearly every stance on the conservative side of things, far far more right than hilary.. yet all the bernie supporters still refuse to vote hilary and would rather have johnson.

people in this country are so fucking stupid... THANK YOU FOREFATHERS for the electoral college.


That's not true. Johnson could easily be described as Liberal when it comes to foreign policy and social policy.

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Folks you gotta support our troops and our veterans. I love our veterans. Hillary is going to take care of them big league. Anyone who doesn't support them is un-American.

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In 2014 Hillary did the same thing as Trump (allegedly) did to avoid paying future income taxes.

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