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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?


I like soldiers who don't get PTSD.


Soldiers who get killed must lack stamina or TWTL.

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Is it not safe to say that someone who commits suicide "can't handle it"?

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Is it not safe to say that someone who commits suicide "can't handle it"?

Safe to say they aren't ready for this jelly.

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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.

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from my limited experience with vets and the VA, couple of trends over the last generation maybe account for some of the increase in vets choosing the easy way out:

1) improved medical-care for troops in the field as well as faster medevac/dustoff procedures--guys and girls wounded in action in Iraq would be quickly transported by air to hospitals in germany and receive treatment in the field/in the air and in the hospital that wasn't available previously. our KIA's have gone down, but in the process a lot of soldiers are surviving, returning and living with permanent disabilities/chronic pain/injuries that...

2) VA doctors acting as pill-pushers who preach "managing pain" rather than physicians / surgeons seeking to cure chronic pain via corrective surgeries, extended physical rehab etc.


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Is it not safe to say that someone who commits suicide "can't handle it"?


No. It means that the soldiers made a sacrifice MANY of us will never understand.

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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Any man or woman who risk their lives to fight for their country are strong. It's really that simple. Some make the ultimate sacrifice of their body in action and others make the mental sacrifice for the rest of their lives. No one should call them weak.

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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Any man or woman who risk their lives to fight for their country are strong. It's really that simple. Some make the ultimate sacrifice of their body in action and others make the mental sacrifice for the rest of their lives. No one should call them weak.

Where did he say they were weak?

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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Any man or woman who risk their lives to fight for their country are strong. It's really that simple. Some make the ultimate sacrifice of their body in action and others make the mental sacrifice for the rest of their lives. No one should call them weak.

Where did he say they were weak?


When he says that the men and women who don't commit suicide are strong he is implying that the people who do are weak. He's wrong.

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But he didn't actually say what you're saying he did. He sounds like an idiot every time he talks, but this isn't close to being among the worst things he said.

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But he didn't actually say what you're saying he did. He sounds like an idiot every time he talks, but this isn't close to being among the worst things he said.


Who said it was among the worst things? Some people are saying that you continue to make excuse after excuse for Trump.

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Can't tell if NAS thinks everyone who enlists is some rah-rah Pat Tillman pat riot or if he thinks that the simple act of enlisting and serving is somehow worthy of adulation.

Cuz for every Pat Tillman in any platoon, there were a couple dozen Hussras--who bought into the recruiter's BS b/c an older friend was enlisting and it seemed better than another summer baling fucking hay and picking damn rocks; or who joined for college money; or because it was the army or jail; or the old dude (he was all of 32, which was old to my 17) who was recently divorced and trying to start over; or they were from a background that the Army felt like a step forward; or most anything but wanting to get shot at and possibly killed dead. or, worse, lose a limb/try to live with chronic pain.

The Pat Tillman types, typically legacy military brats, were roundly mocked for their exuberant militarism. Also, they tended to run to the drill sergeants and narc any time they caught someone breaking the rules.

We had this one drill instructor at Ft Jackson, a future officer from West Point--"drill cadet". Dude looked just like Candyman. The NCO drill instructors/sergeants regarded drill cadet only slightly above the new recruits--whom they regarded and talked to the way you might look at and speak to dog-shit on the bottom of your shoe. The NCO drill sgts were all airborne qualified and special forces trained. Apparently being a drill instructor is considered an important job in the military.

Drill Cadet was always trying to win the respect of the NCO drill instructors. He'd try to mimic their manner of dealing with us. One morning, after PT and chow (which was really fucking good, fwiw, better than my college cafeteria's slop), the NCO drill instructors were off honing their insults and waxing their staches (one dude had a classic state trooper stache, rare in the Army) or whatever and so drill cadet had us to himself.

He immediately goes for one of the weakest or most vulnerable recruits in the platoon. This Filipino kid whose name I can't recall but call him Q-bert.

Q-bert's primary language was likely tagalog, but def not English. And so he'd often turn the wrong way while marching. Q-Bert, on cue, turned the wrong way in response to Candyman's command to have us turn and face him (as he was calling cadence) and settle into parade rest. So Candyman saunters up to Q-Bert, stands in front of him, towering over him. Q-Bert's basically staring at the lowest point of Candyman's gig-line and asks the kid with limited English comprehension skills:

"What's your problem, Private Q-bert, you have stupid juice for breakfast this morning?"

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Nas wrote:
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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Any man or woman who risk their lives to fight for their country are strong. It's really that simple. Some make the ultimate sacrifice of their body in action and others make the mental sacrifice for the rest of their lives. No one should call them weak.


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I'm still hearing just an excuse. The excuse doesn't even make sense, because a number of staunch democrats dislike her as well. She's possibly the most dishonest politician in recent memory, unless we are counting Trump as a politician. That's on her. It's not a false smear campaign.


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Trump being exposed as a fraud.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f2e ... 16aafea2a0

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Waiting for Wikileaks to bring down Hillary any minute now!

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Waiting for Wikileaks to bring down Hillary any minute now!



I thought they were supposed to do it this morning?

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Nas telling a veteran how to feel about something Trump said about veterans.

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TOTALLY false, Lying Hank.

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Nas telling a veteran how to feel about something Trump said about veterans.


TOTALLY false, Lying Hank.



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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.

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Vice President Joe Biden recounted his own son's time in combat and condemned Trump's remarks

"I don't think he was trying to be mean, he was just so thoroughly, completely uninformed," Biden said.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Nas telling a veteran how to feel about something Trump said about veterans.


TOTALLY false, Lying Hank.



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So we've decided that people who are susceptible to certain mental illnesses are weak?

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think you're putting too much emphasis on one word, strong, and trying really hard to make the case he said the opposite much be true and ptsd soldiers are weak. Strong is just one of those vague bullshit simpleton adjectives like smart and good and huge that Trump overuses because he's an idiot.

anecdotally, the many comments I've seen from soldiers and military pages on fb don't have a problem with what he said.


I don't think anybody knows if they were soldiers. He's saying soldiers, soldiers, soldiers, but I don't — maybe they were. I mean, they could be soldiers, but they could also be children. They could also be lots of other people. They also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?

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Waiting for Wikileaks to bring down Hillary any minute now!



I thought they were supposed to do it this morning?



Yeah, it turns out he has nothing.

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"There's been a lot of misquoting of me and WikiLeaks publications," Assange said, noting reports that the upcoming leaks are because "we intend to harm Hillary Clinton ... or I don't like Hillary Clinton." That framing is "false."


Bummer for the SG's out there.

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I don't support Trump in his company! I propose you to read http://bigpaperwriter.com/blog/racism-in-america-global-problem-of-contemporary-world and get to know some data about the most common problem of the world - racism!


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Assange may have trolled, but Guccifer just dropped some Clinton Foundation files....not sure if there's any value here, apparantly "It looks like big banks and corporations agreed to donate to the Democrats a certain percentage of the allocated TARP funds." Bailout money finding it's way to the Clinton Foundation? Wasn't some of that TARP funding supposed to help smaller banks before it ran out? However there is a folder legit named "Pay to Play", that smells of fake...

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/10/04/clinton-foundation/

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Chus wrote:
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Waiting for Wikileaks to bring down Hillary any minute now!



I thought they were supposed to do it this morning?



Yeah, it turns out he has nothing.




Think you are right, he'd have released it by now.

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