How does "sour grapes" apply? I don't want my team tanking. It worked here. It's not working as well in other places. There are no guarantees.

And a lot of people act like it's really easy. Tank a few seasons and win "multiple championships". That ignores actual history. The Yankees have 27 titles. The Cardinals have 11. The A's have nine and the Red Sox and Giants have eight apiece. That's in the entire history of the game. The Dodgers have six and no one else has more than five. That's in the entire history of the game. But I'm sure the team that hasn't won in 108 seasons will suddenly win four times in the next ten years.

If the regime never wins a World Series, I'd think they need to be viewed as a failure. Even if they make the playoffs and win 100 games 10 straight years.

You're my guy, Peeps, but this is completely ridiculous.

I would trade 10 playoff appearances for 1 title.

You're my guy, Peeps, but this is completely ridiculous.

Why?

To me the goal is to win a championship.

You're saying if the Cubs were not to win a World Series during Theo/Jed's regime, you wouldn't consider it a failure?

I would trade 10 playoff appearances for 1 title.

But the reality is that you can't. It's hypothetical nonsense. 10 playoff appearances more than likely gets you a title. That's the point.

But the reality is that you can't. It's hypothetical nonsense. 10 playoff appearances more than likely gets you a title. That's the point.

There are people in this thread who said Theyd rather have that over a fluke title.

There is one goal. Win a title. That trumps all. Having more shots at it is good but it's not a consolation prize.

I don't know that most fans look at a decade or era of games in hindsight. Sure you'll be disappointed they didn't win a world series year to year but chances are you enjoyed the hell out of those seasons. You'll still continue to hope they win one but it's not the crap you've been watching before that.

I don't know how it works in baseball but tanking to me sounds like a really bad team says they are wiping a slate clean. Blow it all up start over. While you are right it may not work, I think it would be better than floundering in what ever you are doing or continuing to suck. Even when you are tanking a season are you building at the same time? I guess if the Bears said we are going to suck for 4 seasons but here is what we are trying, I'd be on board. If it doesn't work you aren't really worse off. If it does work you have a chance to win and be competitive for a bit.

Except it doesn't really work that way. The Astros didn't make the postseason this year. The Cubs might not next year. Not to mention that the integrity of the game is compromised when teams begin the season without winning as a goal.

It's a rebuilding or reorganizing more than tanking. If they win great but you don't expect it. You can't, the team is shit. How do you say let's go win it all when you suck ass. It's not realistic. It's not tanking when you suck, you just suck.

That's not the way baseball works. Teams have often gone from last or near last to first (and vice versa).

Your last sentence is your own creation. Just because a team doesn't spend their ass off doesn't mean they're purposely losing. Besides, their Southside counterparts, who were "trying", didn't have anymore success.

Of course it is. I typed it. And I'm sure you understand the diffrrence between losing and losing on purpose.