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* Students at the University of Michigan may now designate preferred pronouns on class rosters, following a year-long effort by the UM “pronoun committee.”

* The policy had been demanded by a student petition last semester, which asserted that "trans students...often find themselves facing threats to their mental and physical safety."

* Other students, however, feel the university's resources could be better spent on "more pressing needs," such as helping students secure employment after graduation.

Students at the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor may now designate preferred pronouns on class rosters, following a year-long effort by the UM “pronoun committee.”

According to an email sent out by the administration and obtained by Prager University, this means that any student can select whichever pronouns they wish, such as “he, she, him, his, ze, etc.,” or else default to no pronouns at all.

“There are much more real and important issues than protecting students’ delicate feelings.” Tweet This

“The University of Michigan is committed to fostering an environment of inclusiveness,” begins the email from Provost Martha Pollak and Vice President for Student Life E. Royster Harper.

"Asking about and correctly using someone's designated pronoun is one of the most basic ways to show respect for their identity and to cultivate an environment that respects all gender identities," Pollack and Harper assert. “If you make a mistake and use the wrong pronoun, you can acknowledge that you made a mistake and use the correct pronoun next time.”

[RELATED: Mizzou allows 'preferred names' on IDs to avoid 'safety hazard']

The committee responsible for this is made up of no less than 11 professors and administrators, who have reportedly been working for the past year to implement the new system.

Last semester, a Change.org petition was launched called “Have the University Put Student Pronouns on Class Rosters” which has thus far garnered nearly 800 signatures.

“Trans students at the University of Michigan often find themselves facing threats to their mental and physical safety,” the petition said, noting that before the policy change, students had to speak with their professors directly “or risk being misgendered in the classroom,” which the document calls “a mentally and emotionally draining experience.”

Some students, however, believe that the Pronoun Committee’s resources might have been better spent elsewhere, and question the actual value of the new policy.

“Considering the more pressing issues that we find on college campuses, such as affordability and securing employment for graduates, I am disappointed that our resources are being directed towards a committee like this one,” sophomore Talia Katz told Campus Reform. “There are much more real and important issues than protecting students’ delicate feelings and catering to an easily offended and highly sensitive generation.”

Campus Reform has reached out to the University of Michigan administration for additional details about the pronoun committee, but we have not yet received a response.

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A "Pronoun Committee"? I have a feeling these mental and physical safety issues are mostly in the heads of adult children who have been brainwashed by identity politics.

I don't think this young man is taking this as seriously as the Pronoun Committee would have liked. It's not really a pronoun, either:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/29/so-br ... chigan-kid

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A student has taken advantage of the opportunity afforded by University of Michigan's new pronoun policy, which allows students to list their chosen pronouns on the official bios that are sent out to their teachers.

The student, Grant Stroble, has listed his pronoun as "His Majesty."

He is stunning and brave. Applaud his courage. Weep openly, if you must.

Are you finished? Still reading? It's quite a moving story, I know.

Stroble's heroism will no doubt be celebrated by the university, which recently gave students the option of selecting their own pronouns in order to foster "an environment of inclusiveness." According to the university:

Students can designate pronouns in Wolverine Access through the new Gender Identity tab within the Campus Personal Information section. This page can be used to enter, update or delete pronoun information.

Designated pronouns will automatically populate on all class rosters accessed through Wolverine Access. Rosters pulled from other systems will not have designated pronouns listed. If a student does not designate a pronoun, none will be listed.

In other words, when professors receive the list of students enrolled in their classes, there will be a designated pronoun next to their names. Strobles's is "His Majesty."

Stroble—a conservative student and member of Young Americans for Freedom's Board of Governors—told The College Fix that he has no problem with students asking to be identified in the manner that makes them most comfortable. But he found the university's new policy to be absurd:

In an interview with The College Fix, Strobl said that "I have no problem with students asking to be identified a certain way, almost like someone named Richard who would like to be called Dick. It is respectful to make a reasonable effort to refer to students in the way that they prefer."

However, he added that he does have a problem when the university institutionalizes the use of pronouns that are completely arbitrary and may possibly sanction people for referring to someone different than their preference.

Strobl continued, "So, I henceforth shall be referred to as: His Majesty, Grant Strobl. I encourage all U-M students to go onto Wolverine Access, and insert the identity of their dreams."


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I wonder how many trans students there are at the school?

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A "Pronoun Committee"? I have a feeling these mental and physical safety issues are mostly in the heads of adult children who have been brainwashed by identity politics.


I sympathize a little bit, because some people just don't fit into the boxes we put xem in. It's up to each person zieself, hirself, eirself, verself, terself, or emself to determine how....ugh, I can't go on.

I actually do sympathize a little, but I already had to learn Spanish and Latin verbs. Not going through that again. Call ze crazy, but...

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does this mean it's now kosher to refer to cute, feminine, non-hirsute manlets as "dishy twinks"? asking for a friend.


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How in the fuck is it a threat to physical security being called the wrong pronoun?

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my buddy's old college roommate visits once a year. over the past year this guy transitioned from a dude to a woman. last weekend was this years visit. the guy laid down ground rules right away about his pronouns and all that crap. this is a guy he's known for 15 years mind you. He said it was beyond irritating. His wife and he, and anyone else that came and saw him would occasionally slip and say "he" only to be very quickly corrected. They are very accepting and are like whatever but they aren't like this sounds like a swell idea.

The guy left a day early because he felt his safe space was being violated due to improper use of pronouns. Interestingly he said that many of his friends have stopped hanging out with him and its probably due to them not being ok with his transition. My buddy's response per his wife who was mad at him, "perhaps is more because you've become insufferable to be around and everyone is on pins and needles making sure they don't destroy your fragile trans psyche".


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is there an Verb Committee too ? there needs to be
all parts of speech need to be represented fairly


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This & the hijab issues are very tiring.

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Your progressive left...the most tolerant left there is folks, unless you contest them :lol: :lol: :lol:

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is there an Verb Committee too ? there needs to be
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Dan Bernstein is the chairman of the Adverb Committee.

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Your progressive left...the most tolerant left there is folks, unless you contest them :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I have seen many profiles on dating sites, mainly OkCupid, that are very similar to that. They'll go out of their way to say how open-minded or liberal they are only to follow it up with: "If you voted for _____, watch _____, or like _____, we won't get along." That's pretty much the opposite of open-minded and shows an inability to consider the legitimacy of an opinion other than their own.

There was one woman who said she was open-minded and non-judgmental and later said when she's on the bus to and from work she likes to try and guess people's political affiliations based on how they're dressed.


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I have seen many profiles on dating sites, mainly OkCupid, that are very similar to that. They'll go out of their way to say how open-minded or liberal they are only to follow it up with: "If you voted for _____, watch _____, or like _____, we won't get along." That's pretty much the opposite of open-minded and shows an inability to consider the legitimacy of an opinion other than their own.


More importantly, it puts a political action on the same plane as consuming media, which is the hallmark of young annoying liberals. Votes matter. Listening to Beyonce doesn't do anything.

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Bagels wrote:
is there an Verb Committee too ? there needs to be
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Dan Bernstein is the chairman of the Adverb Committee.


sigh.........


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Your progressive left...the most tolerant left there is folks, unless you contest them :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The error you make is in equating all Liberalism to people who are obsessed with identity politics.

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University of Michigan Student’s Designated Pronoun is ‘His Majesty’

By Barbara Hollingsworth | October 4, 2016 | 4:51 PM EDT

After receiving a campus-wide email last Tuesday from University of Michigan-Ann Arbor administrators informing him that under the school’s new Designated Pronouns policy, he could choose the way he wished to be addressed on campus, junior Grant Strobl settled on the monarchial “His Majesty”.

“My new identity is His Majesty Grant Strobl, what’s yours?” Strobl tweeted on September 28th, urging his fellow students to follow his lead in selecting their own designated pronouns.

“I’ve always wanted professors to call me ‘His Majesty’ for some reason,” Strobl told CNSNews.com.

The Designated Pronouns policy is the work of “members of the pronoun committee who have worked the past year to formulate this process,” according to the email sent to students and faculty by Martha Pollack, provost and executive vice president for academic affairs, and E. Royster Harper, vice president for student life.

It stated that “students can designate pronouns in Wolverine Access through the new Gender Identity tab within the Campus Personal Information section. This page will be used to enter/update and/or delete pronoun information with the University.”

Designated pronouns “give students the ability to tell the University what pronoun they identify with for use in our communications and interactions with them,” the email explained.

“The email suggested you could use ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘they’ or ‘ze’, but the email and website weren’t the same,” Strobl, who is majoring in political science and international studies, told CNSNews. “The website had ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘they’ or ‘make up your own’.”

He added that “hundreds of students have changed their pronouns to protest the university’s policy.”

“Students have been calling me ‘His Majesty”, those that have read the story, and it really does illustrate the ridiculousness of the policy in ignoring the English language. It just creates more complexity, more difficulty for our society as a whole, and it goes against the university’s mission to pursue truth."

CNSNews asked Strobl if any of his professors have actually called him ‘His Majesty’ so far.

“Personally I haven’t received any reactions from my professors,” he continued. "However, I have had professors email me saying that they support what I’m doing because they think this policy is ridiculous.

“However, there is one professor who teaches statistics who says she’s going to punish students who use a similar pronoun as mine.”

Professors and staff face disciplinary action if they do not use students’ “preferred pronouns,” a university spokesman university told Heat Street. “If there were a persistent pattern of ignoring a student’s preference, we would address that as a performance matter.”

“University policy says that they should make a reasonable effort to refer to people by their designated pronouns. Then it said that it’ll be considered a work-related issue, that they can receive sanctions” for not following the policy, Strobl pointed out to CNSNews.

“I have some meetings with the administration coming soon,” added Strobl, who is also the chairman of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom Board of Governors.

“Young Americans for Freedom is fighting against the culture of political correctness on campuses throughout the country, and this new policy at the University of Michigan is an example of what we are trying to fight against,” he said.

CNSNews asked Strobl what he would do if university administrators tell him that he cannot use ‘His Majesty’ as his Designated Pronoun.

“Well, that would be unfair,” he replied. “And I will continue to challenge it in a way to make sure that we restore sanity” on campus.


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The error you make is in equating all Liberalism to people who are obsessed with identity politics.


Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.

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leashyourkids wrote:
The error you make is in equating all Liberalism to people who are obsessed with identity politics.


Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.


There still needs to be a distinction between economic liberalism and whatever "this" is. MANY socialist type thinkers couldn't care less about identity politics.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The error you make is in equating all Liberalism to people who are obsessed with identity politics.


Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.


There still needs to be a distinction between economic liberalism and whatever "this" is. MANY socialist type thinkers couldn't care less about identity politics.


Nope. In this country, there are only two bags: liberal or conservative. If you don't like the bag you are put in, you have no one to blame but yourself and those lying sonofabitch people in the other bag.


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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
The error you make is in equating all Liberalism to people who are obsessed with identity politics.


Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.


There still needs to be a distinction between economic liberalism and whatever "this" is. MANY socialist type thinkers couldn't care less about identity politics.


Nope. In this country, there are only two bags: liberal or conservative. If you don't like the bag you are put in, you have no one to blame but yourself and those lying sonofabitch people in the other bag.


Or you can be prescribed surgery to cut that bag open, turn it inside-out and shove it inside your pelvis, like an inverse bag. Then you can use whatever bathroom you want!


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Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.


But it's presented as fact. Julie said 40% of baseball fans are women. Then she said whatever team dressed up like women are offend 40% of the fan base. They're not and I'm guessing it's not even close. You can only talk about personal experience as that. Not as or for a group.


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Well, classic liberalism has been swamped by identity politics and the SJW movement. It's why I would never call myself a liberal. These people love the fallacy that who they are somehow affects facts. "As a black woman...", "As a trans man...", etc. Personal experience is often germane, but one's identity doesn't change any facts or automatically give a person higher ground in an argument.


But it's presented as fact. Julie said 40% of baseball fans are women. Then she said whatever team dressed up like women are offend 40% of the fan base. They're not and I'm guessing it's not even close. You can only talk about personal experience as that. Not as or for a group.



That's my point. She is essentially saying, "As a woman, I'm telling you 40% of your fans are offended." Now, I have no idea what percentage of fans are women nor how many are offended, but whatever the number is, Julie's genitals grant her no authority to change the facts.

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I'm saying that becomes fact for a lot of people.


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I'm saying that becomes fact for a lot of people.


I understand. Enough people repeat that women earn 78 cents for every buck a guy makes enough times and it becomes "fact". It no longer matters if it's actually true. That's why no one in Iran believes the Holocaust occurred.

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I'm saying that becomes fact for a lot of people.


I understand. Enough people repeat that women earn 78 cents for every buck a guy makes enough times and it becomes "fact". It no longer matters if it's actually true. That's why no one in Iran believes the Holocaust occurred.


What's amazing with the 78 cents lie is that it injures women and families. It used to be that one income was enough to support a family. Now two is usually necessary. The "right to work" has made labor cheap. Rather than focus on this issue we are mostly worried about police shootings, pro-nouns and bathroom rights. So basically issues that directly affect about 5 percent of the population at most.

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I'm saying that becomes fact for a lot of people.


I understand. Enough people repeat that women earn 78 cents for every buck a guy makes enough times and it becomes "fact". It no longer matters if it's actually true. That's why no one in Iran believes the Holocaust occurred.


What's amazing with the 78 cents lie is that it injures women and families. It used to be that one income was enough to support a family. Now two is usually necessary. The "right to work" has made labor cheap. Rather than focus on this issue we are mostly worried about police shootings, pro-nouns and bathroom rights. So basically issues that directly affect about 5 percent of the population at most.


Probably because most of America these days is only paying attention to what on the TV news and the like. That probably is also just the activities of about 5 percent of the population. It is usually not the good part either.

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