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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:26 am 
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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


What about restricting early voting, which is more common practice with minorities? Or making it harder to obtain an ID in poorer, black areas by shutting down the very buildings where they are supposed to obtain IDs?

All of these practices were deemed to have "targeted African Americans with almost surgical precision." by an Appeals Court, but North Carolina is saying fuck it, we're doing it anyway.

And you don't have a problem with this?

OK. It's all racism. I give up.
I know that stuff like this never happens that benefits other parties. Never any redistricting or redrawing lines that benefit other parties.
I'm so bummed. I never knew I was racist until I was told I was. I just kinda thought I liked everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Upon further review.... this long and storied historical record of early voting isn't very long storied or historical. Hm. Now I just don't know what to think.

Myself I always voted on election day.

Looking back a mere 24 years early voting was just a fraction of presidential votes cast.

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OK. It's all racism. I give up.


A federal appeals court said it was.

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I know that stuff like this never happens that benefits other parties. Never any redistricting or redrawing lines that benefit other parties.


The good ol' GOP in North Carolina doesn't have a leg to stand on, when it comes to gerrymandering. I do agree with you that gerrymandering is a problem.

How does redistricting equal actively, and surgically preventing black people from voting?


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I'm so bummed. I never knew I was racist until I was told I was. I just kinda thought I liked everyone.


Now you are just being silly. Nobody called you a racist.

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Historically?
I guess I always thought the vast majority of votes would be cast on election day.
How long is the history on early voting? I thought until fairly recently it was reserved for servicemen overseas and what not? Is this something that goes back historically like 100 years or something?


Well minorities and women haven't actually had the right to vote for 100 years. Early voting has existed for half the time since the passing of the Voting Rights Act .

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Historically?
I guess I always thought the vast majority of votes would be cast on election day.
How long is the history on early voting? I thought until fairly recently it was reserved for servicemen overseas and what not? Is this something that goes back historically like 100 years or something?


Well minorities and women haven't actually had the right to vote for 100 years. Early voting has existed for half the time since the passing of the Voting Rights Act .

So... not really historically then. Ok. Early voting in 92 was a tiny fraction of the votes... so I guess it's not exactly historical but whatever semantics.

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Early voting is a bit silly to me... I myself wouldn't vote before election day... who knows what can happen or what news comes out or someone does something terrible the week before the election that might have otherwise had my vote.
Hell I still don't know where my vote is going. I want more information.

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Historically?
I guess I always thought the vast majority of votes would be cast on election day.
How long is the history on early voting? I thought until fairly recently it was reserved for servicemen overseas and what not? Is this something that goes back historically like 100 years or something?


Well minorities and women haven't actually had the right to vote for 100 years. Early voting has existed for half the time since the passing of the Voting Rights Act .


Blacks 1870 ,thats over 100 and women 1920 thats almost 100 so come on man come up wit hsomething else.

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Early voting is a bit silly to me... I myself wouldn't vote before election day... who knows what can happen or what news comes out or someone does something terrible the week before the election that might have otherwise had my vote.
Hell I still don't know where my vote is going. I want more information.


You probably wouldn't think it was so silly, if you were poor and lived in an area where gov't buildings that provide IDs and polling places were closing, making it much more difficult for you to vote.

Again, a federal appeals court said these laws were un-Constitutional, and surgically targeting African Americans, but North Carolina is saying fuck it, we are doing it anyway. It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

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Early voting is a bit silly to me... I myself wouldn't vote before election day... who knows what can happen or what news comes out or someone does something terrible the week before the election that might have otherwise had my vote.
Hell I still don't know where my vote is going. I want more information.


You probably wouldn't think it was so silly, if you were poor and lived in an area where gov't buildings that provide IDs and polling places were closing, making it much more difficult for you to vote.

It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

Yeah. My districts polling place is less that a half mile away. Everywhere I've ever lived the plunge place was just in town. Are their polling places like 100 miles away or something? Usually they're at a school or library right in town.

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Historically?
I guess I always thought the vast majority of votes would be cast on election day.
How long is the history on early voting? I thought until fairly recently it was reserved for servicemen overseas and what not? Is this something that goes back historically like 100 years or something?


Well minorities and women haven't actually had the right to vote for 100 years. Early voting has existed for half the time since the passing of the Voting Rights Act .


Blacks 1870 ,thats over 100 and women 1920 thats almost 100 so come on man come up wit hsomething else.


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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Most DMV offices are open 6 days a week. What more you want? They have methods to get free Id cards if you need one. People are just too lazy to do the footwork to go get it. Early voting was propagated based on the lie that poor people could not make time on election day to vote. Most polls are open from 6am to 7pm. Now they are going to let voting go on the internet because people are getting even lazier. Yeah there is no chance for voter fraud wit h that stuff. Hell most countries ,even Mexico require you to have ID to vote.

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Early voting is a bit silly to me... I myself wouldn't vote before election day... who knows what can happen or what news comes out or someone does something terrible the week before the election that might have otherwise had my vote.
Hell I still don't know where my vote is going. I want more information.


You probably wouldn't think it was so silly, if you were poor and lived in an area where gov't buildings that provide IDs and polling places were closing, making it much more difficult for you to vote.

It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

Yeah. My districts polling place is less that a half mile away. Everywhere I've ever lived the plunge place was just in town. Are their polling places like 100 miles away or something? Usually they're at a school or library right in town.


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Most DMV offices are open 6 days a week. What more you want? They have methods to get free Id cards if you need one. People are just too lazy to do the footwork to go get it. Early voting was propagated based on the lie that poor people could not make time on election day to vote. Most polls are open from 6am to 7pm. Now they are going to let voting go on the internet because people are getting even lazier. Yeah there is no chance for voter fraud wit h that stuff. Hell most countries ,even Mexico require you to have ID to vote.


You clearly didn't read the articles that I linked, or you wouldn't say these things. If you did read the articles, and think your post makes any sense, then you should probably sit this one out.

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There aren't enough polling places. In 2012 and 2008 they're were people who literally had to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. Those people lived in minority communities.

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It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

Yeah. My districts polling place is less that a half mile away. Everywhere I've ever lived the plunge place was just in town. Are their polling places like 100 miles away or something? Usually they're at a school or library right in town.


And once again in issues like this, where you don't directly get affected by something, you toe the GOP line without regard to the goals/motivations and most importantly sponsors.

Posted like a true sometimey, alleged libertarian. Or a typical tea party republican.

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There aren't enough polling places. In 2012 and 2008 they're were people who literally had to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. Those people lived in minority communities.


The kinds of places that Trump & republicans are calling upon all correct 2nd Amendment "warriors" :wink: to monitor the polling places while exercising their most sacred of all constitutional "protections". Openly.

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It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

Yeah. My districts polling place is less that a half mile away. Everywhere I've ever lived the plunge place was just in town. Are their polling places like 100 miles away or something? Usually they're at a school or library right in town.


And once again in issues like this, where you don't directly get affected by something, you toe the GOP line without regard to the goals/motivations and most importantly sponsors.

Posted like a true sometimey, alleged libertarian. Or a typical tea party republican.

I'm asking dude. I'm asking if their polling places are hundreds of miles away. Or are they not in town.
The 8 hour waits to vote... are these on Sundays? Election day? How often is that happening? Is this happening to millions or hundreds?

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Maybe Indiana just does things easier but there are plenty of polling locations in every community. I've worked the polls in Gary (predominantly black) East Chicago (predominantly Hispanic) and Griffith (predominantly white). It all cases it was the opposite of being busy. We were calling Precinct Committeemen and trying to get people to organize more voters to come out. Polling locations all over the place and precincts were never that flooded with people.

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It isn't happening on your street, so it isn't a problem.

Yeah. My districts polling place is less that a half mile away. Everywhere I've ever lived the plunge place was just in town. Are their polling places like 100 miles away or something? Usually they're at a school or library right in town.


And once again in issues like this, where you don't directly get affected by something, you toe the GOP line without regard to the goals/motivations and most importantly sponsors.

Posted like a true sometimey, alleged libertarian. Or a typical tea party republican.

I'm asking dude. I'm asking if their polling places are hundreds of miles away. Or are they not in town.
The 8 hour waits to vote... are these on Sundays? Election day? How often is that happening? Is this happening to millions or hundreds?


This has been happening in "some" communities since the Voting Rights Act was enacted. It's why MANY states(like NC) had to face "strict scrutiny" in their polling practices. It's how MANY justify a Trump vote since "he'll put in the right kind of judges" & let the bigots, racists & crass opportunists run wild.

Every major election now is filled with dozens/hundreds of these kinds of stories, especially in southern states quick to take away voting rights from certain kinds of citizens. Or the stories about county clerks who put up insane requirements to obtain an id, license or other govt document...or simply refuse to do their jobs, citing "religious" objections.

And it's almost always republicans who don't respect the constitutional rights of other groups they are biased against. Un-American bastards that they are, no matter how many American (or Confederate) flags they drape themselves in.

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Maybe Indiana just does things easier but there are plenty of polling locations in every community. I've worked the polls in Gary (predominantly black) East Chicago (predominantly Hispanic) and Griffith (predominantly white). It all cases it was the opposite of being busy. We were calling Precinct Committeemen and trying to get people to organize more voters to come out. Polling locations all over the place and precincts were never that flooded with people.


Obama won Indiana in 2008 but it isn't a swing state. These things generally happen in purple states.

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Maybe Indiana just does things easier but there are plenty of polling locations in every community. I've worked the polls in Gary (predominantly black) East Chicago (predominantly Hispanic) and Griffith (predominantly white). It all cases it was the opposite of being busy. We were calling Precinct Committeemen and trying to get people to organize more voters to come out. Polling locations all over the place and precincts were never that flooded with people.


Lake County is more Chicago than it is like the majority of Indiana.

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Maybe Indiana just does things easier but there are plenty of polling locations in every community. I've worked the polls in Gary (predominantly black) East Chicago (predominantly Hispanic) and Griffith (predominantly white). It all cases it was the opposite of being busy. We were calling Precinct Committeemen and trying to get people to organize more voters to come out. Polling locations all over the place and precincts were never that flooded with people.


Lake County is more Chicago than it is like the majority of Indiana.

And btw, thank you for your valuable public service. (seriously)


When I say work the polls, I don't mean being a judge or clerk (although I've done that too). This was back in my Young Democrat days when I was one of those annoying people in front of the polling location handing out flyers and going from polling place to polling place to make sure our signs were still up and people weren't breaking the rules.

You have to be a certain distance from the polling location doors to be "politicking". One time a very old lady was walking up, it was November and cold and raining so I helped her to the doors and one of the judges told me he was going to call the election board if I got within the limits again. People take this shit seriously. We had one old guy that had a 25 foot rope (or whatever the distance was) and he went from location to location marking it out and throwing signs away if they were within the limit. :lol:

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Maybe Indiana just does things easier but there are plenty of polling locations in every community. I've worked the polls in Gary (predominantly black) East Chicago (predominantly Hispanic) and Griffith (predominantly white). It all cases it was the opposite of being busy. We were calling Precinct Committeemen and trying to get people to organize more voters to come out. Polling locations all over the place and precincts were never that flooded with people.


Lake County is more Chicago than it is like the majority of Indiana.

And btw, thank you for your valuable public service. (seriously)


When I say work the polls, I don't mean being a judge or clerk (although I've done that too). This was back in my Young Democrat days when I was one of those annoying people in front of the polling location handing out flyers and going from polling place to polling place to make sure our signs were still up and people weren't breaking the rules.

You have to be a certain distance from the polling location doors to be "politicking". One time a very old lady was walking up, it was November and cold and raining so I helped her to the doors and one of the judges told me he was going to call the election board if I got within the limits again. People take this shit seriously. We had one old guy that had a 25 foot rope (or whatever the distance was) and he went from location to location marking it out and throwing signs away if they were within the limit. :lol:


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I hear you, Hank. One year, I was an election judge in Bloomington, IL. It was me and 15 other people all over the age of 70. It was a loooooong day, and they took that shit SERIOUSLY.

I will say this, though... those old fuckers did a good job, and even though half were Repubs and half were Dems, they worked well together and didn't talk anything political. They ended up all friends. Rare to see that shit nowadays.

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.


Why do you hate black churches and black women with big hats?

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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.


Why do you hate black churches and black women with big hats?


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Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.


Why do you hate black churches and black women with big hats?


What if the bus is white?

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Chus wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Chus wrote:
Always good to see so MANY comments from people who clearly didn't read the articles.

I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.


Why do you hate black churches and black women with big hats?


What if the bus is white?


They're on their way to the penitentiary.

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 Post subject: Re: The REAL voter fraud
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Nas wrote:
Chus wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
I read the article. I guess I don't equate limiting early Sunday voting hours with suppression or racism.


When you KNOW that historically minority voters usually get together to go vote after church you may want to limit those opportunities if you're a republican.

Group voting seems to be something we shouldn't encourage.


Why do you hate black churches and black women with big hats?


What if the bus is white?


They're on their way to the penitentiary.


Thanks, Obama.

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