It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:32 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 116 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:37 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
I tried to turn on the furnace early this morning to get rid of the chill in the house. The pilot light was out so I got it re-lit and when I turned on the heat the furnace kicked in like it wanted to start and then all the flames went out. It looked like someone shut the gas off almost. I repeated this a couple times and now I can't even get the pilot light to stay lit.

Should I just move or go tankless?

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Sounds like a bad thermo couple, cheap n easy fix.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:46 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:18 pm
Posts: 27517
Location: Rizzo fo Shizzo
pizza_Place: Pizza Villa in DeKalb.
Ball bearings.....it's all ball bearings nowadays.

Actually ......just wait for the expert to assemble himself after sleeping off the Cubs celebration last night.

_________________
That's my purse! I don't know you!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:18 pm
Posts: 4865
pizza_Place: Luigi's
I am far from an expert but the same sort of thing happens to my water heater from time to time.

Also, I am not exactly Lou Manfedini either.

My plumbing guy taught me a trick and it works every time.

This is just a possibility...

Something (sensor?) is telling the pilot light not to ignite. If you take a very lightly damp rag and wipe away any small dust, soot, etc. around the pilot light area it may be just the thing to kick it in?

Sometimes I have to do this along with a light piece of sand paper or emery board inside the water heater pilot light area. My guy says it has something to do with the water heater being so close to the washer & dryer?

I defer to to Darkside - He is truly the expert... Good luck!

_________________
"This is Chicago, my friend. Anything can happen."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43569
Light yourself on fire.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:33 pm
Posts: 82
pizza_Place: Gigitos
Douchebag wrote:
Light yourself on fire.


Great suggestion from the expert!!!!

hes the kid who sits in back of class and tryes too be FUNNY!!!... i guess HELPING is to much too ask???????

_________________
yeah, It's Big Brane!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:46 am
Posts: 26636
Location: NW SUBURBS OF CHICAGO
pizza_Place: any from anywhere
put on a sweater and stop your bitching.

_________________
favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92050
Location: To the left of my post
Similar posters Scooter and Darkside will not like this thread.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:39 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
No need to cut on furnace yet.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
this is why you don't let hoosiers around technology.

hank just go back to wood burning stove


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:50 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92050
Location: To the left of my post
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I tried to turn on the furnace early this morning to get rid of the chill in the house. The pilot light was out so I got it re-lit and when I turned on the heat the furnace kicked in like it wanted to start and then all the flames went out. It looked like someone shut the gas off almost. I repeated this a couple times and now I can't even get the pilot light to stay lit.

Should I just move or go tankless?
A similar thing happened to me. It was a safety feature. The wall had started to wear down and a hole had opened up which was a big fire hazard. I guess it has some sensor.

The technician said flames could have made it to the wall of my house. I had to replace the furnace myself after that.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
So far Godfella is the winner. His trick worked. My furnace and AC are both on life support. It's only a matter of time for both.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Hank Scorpio wrote:
So far Godfella is the winner. His trick worked. My furnace and AC are both on life support. It's only a matter of time for both.

Darkside recommended that to me as my fix a year ago or whenever...but I ended up having to get the thing replaced as every few days it would go out.

Landlord covered it...but I don't think the part is expensive.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
the pilot orifice is clogged

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 65767
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
A couple things...
If there's a thermocouple, there's no flame Rod to clean. The pilot heats up the thermocouple which transfers a small amount of voltage to the gas valve il via the copper line. You can test the thermocouple if you have a multimeter that measures milli voltage by using a 3/8ths wrench to take off the plug at the gas valve. You use alligator clips from your multimeter to clip on the silvery end and the other clip somewhere on the copper line. Light the pilot. You will see milli voltage climbing. A new thermocouple will generate a max of 35 mv. As they age the potential drops. You'll need 17 or so minimum to hold open the pilot valve which allows the main valve to open when energized. Anything under 20 and I'd say replace the thermocouple.
The gas valve may be slowly going bad if it's shutting off the pilot valve with proper mv.
The pilot assembly requires cleaning every year to make sure the orfice is clear and allowing a strong pilot flame. There's a little sleeve with a tiny hole at the pilot assembly that can be clogged causing a lazy or lifting flame. It should be strong, blue and Impinging on the tip of the thermocouple.
It's possible although unlikely a rollout, limit, or blocked vent safety switch is opening. Typically that would not cause the pilot to go out.
Again with a standing pilot flame rectification is done with a thermocouple so the issue is, in descending order of probability, a bad thermocouple, a dirty pilot assembly, or a bad gas valve.
A remote possibility may be a bad main valve relay not properly supplying 24 volts to the main valve (labeled mv on most gas valves) when calling for heat, or bad wiring somewhere in the safety or control wiring areas.
This is not as complicated as it sounds.
If you have a standing pilot system it's likely time to join the rest of us in the post model T era and get something updated and efficient.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
Darkside wrote:
The pilot assembly requires cleaning every year to make sure the orfice is clear and allowing a strong pilot flame. There's a little sleeve with a tiny hole at the pilot assembly that can be clogged causing a lazy or lifting flame.


ill bet you $5 this is the problem. listen to his symptoms

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:09 am
Posts: 19925
pizza_Place: Papa Johns
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I tried to turn on the furnace early this morning to get rid of the chill in the house. The pilot light was out so I got it re-lit and when I turned on the heat the furnace kicked in like it wanted to start and then all the flames went out. It looked like someone shut the gas off almost. I repeated this a couple times and now I can't even get the pilot light to stay lit.

Should I just move or go tankless?


I'd ask BigFan.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
SomeGuy wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I tried to turn on the furnace early this morning to get rid of the chill in the house. The pilot light was out so I got it re-lit and when I turned on the heat the furnace kicked in like it wanted to start and then all the flames went out. It looked like someone shut the gas off almost. I repeated this a couple times and now I can't even get the pilot light to stay lit.

Should I just move or go tankless?


I'd ask BigFan.


Who?

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Image

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
Thanks guys. I've got it working at the moment but if things go south again I'll try some of Darko's suggestions.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:25 pm
Posts: 12
pizza_Place: Burt's
Darkside wrote:
Typically that would not cause the pilot to go out.

You know what pilot did go out!? Cory Lidle!

_________________
Mike Mulligan wrote:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:47 pm
Posts: 13380
Location: The far western part of south east North Dakota
pizza_Place: Boboli
Image

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I smell a bit....


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43569
Hanley wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Typically that would not cause the pilot to go out.

You know what pilot did go out!? Cory Lidle!

:lol: :lol:

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:13 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
Fun update.

Kept cutting out, I started looking closer and noticed a couple wires were charred up. I taped them up thinking that was potentially the problem and I put in a new thermocouple. No dice. I finally called in a guy, yadda yadda yadda, I just spent $2500 on a new furnace. I went cheap, 80% efficiency, small house and my bills weren't particularly high even with my crappy 65% efficiency 1980s monster. I do have to say the guy didn't go with a hard sell which I appreciated.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92050
Location: To the left of my post
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Fun update.

Kept cutting out, I started looking closer and noticed a couple wires were charred up. I taped them up thinking that was potentially the problem and I put in a new thermocouple. No dice. I finally called in a guy, yadda yadda yadda, I just spent $2500 on a new furnace. I went cheap, 80% efficiency, small house and my bills weren't particularly high even with my crappy 65% efficiency 1980s monster. I do have to say the guy didn't go with a hard sell which I appreciated.
I'm guessing you had the exact same problem I described. Looks like I'm the new HVAC expert!

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 65767
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Fun update.

Kept cutting out, I started looking closer and noticed a couple wires were charred up. I taped them up thinking that was potentially the problem and I put in a new thermocouple. No dice. I finally called in a guy, yadda yadda yadda, I just spent $2500 on a new furnace. I went cheap, 80% efficiency, small house and my bills weren't particularly high even with my crappy 65% efficiency 1980s monster. I do have to say the guy didn't go with a hard sell which I appreciated.
I'm guessing you had the exact same problem I described. Looks like I'm the new HVAC expert!

Why not? You're an expert at everything else.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92050
Location: To the left of my post
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Fun update.

Kept cutting out, I started looking closer and noticed a couple wires were charred up. I taped them up thinking that was potentially the problem and I put in a new thermocouple. No dice. I finally called in a guy, yadda yadda yadda, I just spent $2500 on a new furnace. I went cheap, 80% efficiency, small house and my bills weren't particularly high even with my crappy 65% efficiency 1980s monster. I do have to say the guy didn't go with a hard sell which I appreciated.
I'm guessing you had the exact same problem I described. Looks like I'm the new HVAC expert!

Why not? You're an expert at everything else.
Thanks for noticing!

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:51 pm
Posts: 6302
Location: Calumet City
pizza_Place: Johns in Cal City
Image

_________________
STU-GOTZ wrote:
Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:35 pm
Posts: 18202
Location: Headed to the 19th hole
pizza_Place: Kaisers
I have a guy coming on November 9th to do a tune up on my furnace and while they are there they take a look at the water heater. My house was built in the
70s but I have no idea what kind of shape these units are in even though they run pretty well so it will be nice to have the guy tell me his honest opinion about
them and how long they might have. I bought the house 3.5 years ago and I am pretty sure the person flipping the house put in used units or just serviced what
was already in there at the time. Anyway I have my fingers crossed I can get a few more years out of them. I thought paying the $80 to get the one serviced
and some professional advice was worth it for someone like me who is pretty clueless about HVAC.

_________________
Flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:25 pm
Posts: 4272
pizza_Place: pizza and subs
we had that issue it was the flame sensor.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 116 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group