No one is saying it's 100% luck. Baseball inarguably has more variance than any other sport in small sample sizes.

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It's not inarguable. Hockey pucks bounce in odd ways--in fact, the Hawks may have lost a playoff series because of an odd bounce. The Raiders lost their franchise when Vincent Jackson fucked up his hip. There are a few things about baseball that are unique, but luck isn't one of them.

The Sox did catch every break possible in 2005. Didn't matter, though.

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You're factually wrong. This ain't about the Sox. Baseball has more variance in small samples than any other sport. It's not a matter of opinion.

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Most teams that win a World Series have some luck. The White Sox had a very good pitching foursome that were on fire at the same time and a great closer. Really the most lucky thing to me was the fact that the entire NL sucked that year so beating the Astros was a cake walk.

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What facts? How can you offer facts about luck, which is interpretive? One person's luck is someone else's shitty play. It's completely arguable. Inarguable? If that was a poor choice of words, so be it.

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Ok, so then how are you defining luck? Injuries--do they count? What is luck?

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I'm not arguing luck. There are statistics that show the variance in baseball vs. other sports. But honestly, I'm not sure why you'd need them unless you're in denial. It's obvious.

Also, I'll set your house on fire, too.

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Leash, I know where you live, down to the state. I also bench 460.

Go watch the Cubs game. Good luck, though I don't think they'll need it.

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I'm just saying, its easy to go fishing for things that you can call luck. Like my example. You could say that the fact the White Sox made the World Series in a year where a very weak Astros also made it was luck.

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I parallel squatted 590 in high school. Now I sweat when I walk my dog. Big deal.

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Jesus....it just reminds me that I have chicken legs....

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Variance is not the same thing as luck. There are actual reasons the best regular season team doesn't win as much in baseball. The strategies that work are different. As they pointed out in the Cubs game. The Cubs had 5 of the best pitchers in baseball. They won't use them all. That lessens that advantage.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There's a lot of luck too. That doesn't mean it's a crapshoot. Your statement about odds above actually proves my point. The odds in Vegas for baseball aren't drastically different, but if you looked at NBA odds, you'd see a huge difference. The Cubs are always a bad play, though, because idiot Cub fans always bet them.

There is more randomness to baseball than any other sport in small samples.

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Variance is not luck though. If someone says the White Sox in 2005 we're aided by variance no one cares. The Cubs this year are being aided by variance too.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Rick, this is not a Cubs-Sox argument for me. It's just fact. If you want proof, look at my post on the first page where I said Bernstein is an idiot and defended the Sox.

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Maybe the lucky thing was all other 29 MLB teams sucked that year, because the entire season and postseason was a cake walk for the Sox that year.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Does being "lucky" include going through multiple closers in one season?

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Illini Inn had some sweet pinball action

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And a sweet juke box.

Shit, that's right! Did they also serve pizza slices upstairs when you were there? Those things were just about the best slices I have ever had.

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Yes. Willie's, thick and cheesy pizza sold upstsirs.

Ozzie himself commented that the 2005 White Sox were lucky....it does take quite a bit of luck.

I did hear this portion of the show and it was a great example of Dan just being a douchebag talk show host.

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What's your Mug Club #?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

14552. Yours?

Hell, I don't remember. I think my friend Mike had a two digit number but he's a little older than I am.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I've actually had dreams about those slices....

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Cubs were super lucky last night.

No Frank Either. He wasnt very good any more but better than Carl Everett. Who was that Japanese closer early in that year that threw frisbies like 50 mph?