This is an observation not an attack, endorsement or stance on either candidate...

20+ years ago there were a handful of conservatives on one network calling the Clintons "liars, untruthful and deceptive". The Clintons unleashed their team to discredit and destroy those people. Even Bill's direct opponents would not mutter the word "liar" while publicly speaking.

Now, Trump is on nationally televised debates carried on probably a dozen networks wagging his finger in Hillary's face publicly shaming her and calling her and her husband liars.

To Peoria Matt's point - Trump is taking her on and it clearly appears that the gloves are off. It seems that nobody has ever done that to the Clintons without major retaliation.

Again, an observation only. I remember the 1992 & 1996 elections very clearly.

Again, I've stepped away from this because I don't want it to seem like I support Trump in any way, but I'm not sure what "she's competent" means. Competent at what exactly? Making a bunch of money while spending her entire life in "public service"?

It seems like civility is very important to you in the political sphere. I don't value it nearly as much.

Oh come on shes not awful. Shes a product of the system but not a bad person and she will be a decent president. Everyone is so blinded by her shit personality they dont look at her work. She deserves to be in charge.

MANY are saying that Trump knows he can't win now and his goal is to set up an anti Hillary organization that will be profitable for the next 4 years.

MANY are saying that Trump knows he can't win now and his goal is to set up an anti Hillary organization that will be profitable for the next 4 years.

Trump TV led by Roger Ailes to take on Fox.

If he's setting it up, he'll probably run it into bankruptcy in 3 years.

If Hillary Clinton is the albatross that MANY keep suggesting how did ever win the nomination? Why didn't the Dems run someone against her? Warren, Biden, back Sanders. Hell anybody but her. That's all I keep reading here yet she won the nomination rather easily. She also is about to win the Presidency too.


Bill Clinton had a successful Presidency and she had something to do with it. From strategy to policy she was there every step of the way. She deserves credit for that.

In terms of Obama it is beginning to take the shape of Williams/Hahn

Troll Nas takes two more down.

I don't feel like having a debate about it, but what exactly is Hillary going to do for you if she gets elected?

Personally, I really do not want my taxes raised, or the industry I work in to slow down again.

I'm not pro Trump either. I just want to know what Hillary is going to do for LTG specifically.

If Hillary Clinton is the albatross that MANY keep suggesting how did ever win the nomination? Why didn't the Dems run someone against her? Warren, Biden, back Sanders. Hell anybody but her. That's all I keep reading here yet she won the nomination rather easily. She also is about to win the Presidency too.

I don't feel like having a debate about it, but what exactly is Hillary going to do for you if she gets elected?

Personally, I really do not want my taxes raised, or the industry I work in to slow down again.

I'm not pro Trump either. I just want to know what Hillary is going to do for LTG specifically.

Bill Clinton had a successful Presidency and she had something to do with it.

You can't really take the good from Bill Clinton and Obama without also accepting the bad. That's a problem she has.

Probably nothing. I'm good in life. The hope is that she will do things for the Middle Class. Bush and Obama really haven't. Bill Clinton did. Check the facts and not talking points and you will easily discern that.

The hope is also that she will stay away from foreign entanglements too.

If she raises taxes and generates more revenue for the country the hope is that she will implement programs that help people. I don't hate govt nor do I hate politicians either. I didn't grow up in a time in which politics was supposed to be inherently evil. The toxicity is not solely in guys like Trump either. The toxicity is in the people that vote for him.

There was more good with Clinton than there has been with Obama. The economy was strong, no wars, and he was able to work along big partisan lines.

I keep laughing at all of this revisionism about the evilness of center right too. Bill Clinton ascended to the Presidency because he rightly surmised that liberalism and left wing politics were not going to win anything. Carter Mondale and Dukakis all lost. Liberals weren't going to win anything. Conservatism was the order of the day. He took that on and won. His policies helped the country too.

The Clinton administration also created the most jobs since Eisenhower.